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Phoenix, AZ – The nanny/security state has reared its ugly head, again — this time in the form of a new law that requires passengers in a vehicle to carry identification – with violators facing up to four months in jail and a $750 dollar fine.

Last week, HB 2305 was introduced by Rep. Anthony Kern (R-Dist. 20), in hopes of reinstating an Arizona law that was struck down in 2002 after a judge ruled the statute as too vague to enforce.

Currently, Arizona law requires only requires that the driver of a vehicle carry identification.

The new law would require passengers in a vehicle to have evidence of identity, with failure to do so resulting in a misdemeanor charge, which allows for a penalty of up to four months in jail. The entire text of the bill can be read here.

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There are no stipulations in the bill differentiating between children and adults. Thus, under the proposed law, if passed in its current form, parents would be ridiculously obliged to procure IDs for their children to be able to simply ride in a vehicle without breaking the law.

Furthermore, the way the bill is worded makes it potentially applicable to anyone riding a bicycle if officers felt like applying it in that manner.

Under established precedent, an officer is only allowed to request identification from someone if there is reasonable suspicion of a crime, or traffic infraction, to stop the driver of the vehicle.

Rep. Kern attempted to justify this absurd law by stating, “Police officers need to know who they are talking to, and we wanted to clarify it in statute for passengers also,” in reference to a previous court ruling that negated the old passenger ID law, which resulted in the dropping of possession of drug charges for a suspect who was arrested as a passenger for not having a valid ID and was not wearing a seatbelt.

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The reality of the situation is that under established U.S. law, unless an officer has a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime afoot, a citizen is under no obligation to provide identification. Make no mistake that there is no logic or reason in attempting to force passengers to carry ID under threat of imprisonment.

These actions are simply another means of providing the government with more control over individuals when agents of the state and citizens interact. The state is clearly attempting to tread upon the civil liberties/rights that are supposed to be inherent to all Americans.

Steve Kilar, spokesperson with the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, said the proposal would ascribe a harsh punishment for a minor violation.

“This proposal takes us one step closer to a society in which we’re required to carry identification whenever we leave our homes,” Kilar said. “Furthermore, it needlessly piles criminal penalties onto civil violations, which would lead to huge fines and fees for otherwise minor violations. We don’t need people branded criminals simply because they failed to carry—or do not have—an ID card.”

This attempt at criminalizing people who simply don’t carry, or have, an ID is an unmistakable example of the ruling class attempting to provide cover for its paid enforcers as a means of allowing them to have more power in their interactions with people NOT suspected of a crime.

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Jay Syrmopoulos is a geopolitical analyst, freethinker, and ardent opponent of authoritarianism. He is currently a graduate student at the University of Denver pursuing a masters in Global Affairs and holds a BA in International Relations. Jay's writing has been featured on both mainstream and independent media - and has been viewed tens of millions of times. You can follow him on Twitter @SirMetropolis and on Facebook at SirMetropolis.
  • Daniel Gol

    I just read the proposed amendment of the law and it seems to be a rewording of the existing law, which requires a non-driver accused of a VIOLATION OF THE TRANSPORTATION TITLE to provide identification.

  • Liz O’neill

    if the American sheeple allow this to go through, then hell mend them, more jails will be built to house them and their family members who don’t carry id’s, single parents getting 4 months jail will also lose their kids to the state, I used to be in awe of americans, I really thought they had a can do attitude, but they let their representative, and I use that term very loosely, and the cops, walk all over them.

  • Ihavenouseforaname

    Do you have zee papers?

  • David McElroy

    This is a money extraction ploy. Requiring ID from children and infants is ridiculous, and their appearances change rapidly as they grow. This HB2305 should die a quick death!

  • wannabealot

    From under your link http://www.azleg.gov/viewdocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/00893.htm “28-893. Obstruction to view; interference with driving

    A. A person shall not drive a vehicle when the vehicle’s load or passengers obstruct the driver’s view to the front or sides of the vehicle or interfere with the driver’s control over the vehicle’s driving mechanism.

    B. A passenger in a vehicle shall not ride in a position that interferes with the driver’s view ahead or to the sides or that interferes with the driver’s control over the vehicle’s driving mechanism.”
    So a kid leans forward in the front passenger seat, or any passenger turns their head to the driver during a conversation, and a cop sees it, they are already in violation of the law, and would be subject to 4 months in jail in addition to whatever penalties from leaning forward or whatever. God help you if you have an itch on your lower leg and need to scratch.

  • This is obviously targeted at the illegals, or so we can hope. But the real issue is the commies want them here so they can get them to vote commie.

    LET’S DEAL WITH THAT! Then get the commies out of our govt. and out of our country.

    Let’s make amerika free again!

    Are we ready for the outcome of voting for the lesser of two evils, and eventually getting more evil than we can handle?

    Is there a militia force in your county yet? Why not? Are you afraid of the ‘m’ word that’s in the Second Amendment?

    The patriot newbie guidebook: http://www.freekentucky.com/the-patriot-newbie-guidebook/

    The Bill of Rights is what we’re fighting for.

    Who’s our greatest enemy? Those who build the Trojan Horse or those who open the gate?

    Nothing will get better until we stop worrying so much about the fundie ragheads and start rounding up and at the least deporting our real enemies, our domestic enemies.

    So who or what is our real enemy? A tiny no. of fundies who manage to kill a few mush heads now and again or our own white home-grown “Liberal”(commie) trash that works relentlessly to disarm and thus fully enslave millions?

    What will we do when a commie SCOTUS rules it’s OK for the “Liberal”(commie) trash, our real enemies, to demand we ‘turn them in?’ How many cowards will comply? Those are the questions that matter.

    What’s an ‘illegal gun?’ Those two words are nowhere to be found in the Second Amendment. A right applied for is a privilege.

    Was the last ‘mass shooting’ site a ‘gun free zone?” Why are commiefornia and others still ‘may issue’ states? Why do we seek ‘permission’ to exercise the most basic right any creature possesses, that of self defense?

    If the Marxist mutt and other commie extremists that call themselves ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ tell us to surrender our weapons and thus our most basic right, they’ll find out what blood really is.

    The most important ‘private property’ anyone owns is their own life, health, safety, and no one, anywhere, anytime has the ‘right’ to take that from them or deny them their most basic right, that of self defense.

    We all get the elected public servants the brain dead sheeple deserve.

    I’ll vote for the candidate that will bring the troops home, activate the militias, and re-invade and re-conquer commiefornia and the other commie enclaves on the left and East coasts.

    They’re not ‘leftists,’ ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive.’ They’re communists/globalists. They want us disarmed so we can’t kill them when enough finally wake up to the necessity of doing so.

    Our Liberty is dying because of our failure to hunt the “Liberal”(commie) and globalist trash to extinction.

    Free Kentucky Column: What must be done – A manifesto of the ‘isms.’
    http://www.freekentucky.com/barry-bright-what-must-be-done/
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    Governments will always be able to get guns so we must always be better armed than them.
    Act politically but prep for what history shows will have to be done. It’s way past time to prep for what will be required: http://www.freekentucky.com/what-will-be-required/
    Rules for the militia: http://www.willowtown.com/promo/blogfpmilitiarules.htm

    Who’s letting them in?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

  • Kim Qitqat Brechtel

    Actually Hitler and the nazis were christians.

  • Kim Qitqat Brechtel

    It’s pathetic with th far right trash….they whimper and cry and bitch and moan about how we need to have small government and they do all they can to make it grow. End regulation on businesses and regulate people and their rights…..like IF and When to become a parent. republiCUNTs……nasty critters.

    • Sam W

      Yes they are.

  • Kim Qitqat Brechtel

    SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE!

  • Kim Qitqat Brechtel

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
    https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries2016.png
    wonder why the establishment demoRATs refuse to cut off corporate interests is a whole lot like the republi……well, you know.
    NEITHER party cares for the common man!

    • Sam W

      One obviously care far more than the other, liberals support unions, choice, having health care as a right, voting rights, fair pay, equal rights for all, birth control, ending poverty not creating it, education as a right, CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, not destroying the environment, a fair tax code for all thst includes the RICH paying taxrs and socisl security on all their income, this list is just a start of the things Democrats favor and republicans all deplore. If you can’t see a difference between the two parties, you should not be allowed to vote let alone discuss politics. The two parties HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON.

  • Timmy Wilburn

    All adults should have a photo ID on their person when going out in public. This way if that person has a accident, then the police can notify their families. Parents should have identification for their children also. How many children go missing everyday and parents don’t have a current photo of the child.

  • Timmy Wilburn

    There is very little difference between a Fascist and a Communist. Both factions will bankrupt a nation and both have two classes of people: the wealthy military politicians and their slaves.. stop using the KKK in american, moron.

    • Steve Rusk

      Well, we won’t have to worry about the commies here, the capitalists have already plundered the economy. Nothing left for the commies or anybody else.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

      The money is in secret offshore bank accounts, the debt is still here.

  • Timmy Wilburn

    Fascism , socialism and Communism are all part of being a progressive Democrat. None of them have ever been supported by the so called right in America.

    • Steve Rusk

      They sure have you confused, Democrats are one of the controls for a republic which operates Right of Center, sometimes called a totalitarian democracy. They use Socialist ploys but are not Socialists, when a Liberal is giving you something you need to look hard and fast to see what all they’re stealing while you’re distracted by the “gift” and what they have to give is never up to what you were told was being given. That’s not how Socialism works, but it is how Liberals function. As to Democrats also being commies, not a chance, they have plans for us that don’t include actual sharing, only the illusion of it.

  • Cortez

    Try to focus less on what the Democrats have done and look closer at what they haven’t done. It’s a beautiful scam, really. The Republicans come into power and either start a war or dole out corporate welfare or cut social programs or whatever. The Democrats fight against it – loudly and often. The middle class rallies behind them, and the Dems win the next election. Once in office, they shift public focus to a new cause (health care, as the most recent example) while quietly continuing – sometimes even expanding – the policies of the previous regime that they so recently opposed. The Obama administration expanded on the secret surveillance of the general American public that began under Bush, and were every bit as jingoistic in their foreign policy. They merely shifted media focus to health care and refugee assistance.

  • We are Anonymiss

    C. A person other than the driver of a motor vehicle who fails or refuses to provide evidence of the person’s EVIDENCE OF identity to a peace officer or a duly authorized agent of a traffic enforcement agency on request, when such officer or agent has reasonable cause to believe the person has committed a violation of this title, is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.

    Ok. So, how does he determine if he has “reasonable cause”? Sounds like a Constitutional violation to us.

  • Daniel

    The United States has been slowly and systematically gutting the Constitution, and installing a system of Totalitarianism, for several decades, now. And it appears that the majority don’t seem to notice. Until we do, and react harshly, it will only continue to worsen.