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London’s Grenfell Tower burned for over 24 hours, a massive and deadly blaze so intense, it swiftly charred nearly the entire 1,000-unit structure — consuming newly-installed aluminum outer panels and virtually anything in its path — leaving at least 17 dead, injuring scores more, and igniting a political firestorm in the process.

But the 24-story building — its apartments gutted beyond repair — did not crumble into its own footprint.

It’s still standing.

In fact, according to several reports from the fire brigade on scene, several small fires inside Grenfell Tower remained smoldering well into today — the residential building’s charred sarcophagus now being investigated to determine cause — meaning, firefighters adhering to stringent safety precautions are perusing the severely crippled structure.

And it still hasn’t collapsed — nor should it have — because that would be nearly unprecedented. Nearly.

That the silhouette of Grenfell Tower still graces the skyline above its upscale neighborhood demands a telling comparison to a structure — World Trade Center Tower 7 — which free fell into its own footprint, as putative experts claimed in conclusion of investigations into the attacks of September 11, 2001.

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Building 7, or WTC 7, has featured prominently in so-called conspiracy theories pertaining to the attacks as it stands — pardon the pun — one of the only steel-framed, concrete structures to have supposedly succumbed to office fires and collapsed straight to the ground, disintegrating into a pile of rubble.

Of course, why and how Building 7 collapsed, at all, remains a subject fraught with disputation — the 47-floor office complex experienced several smaller fires, as it sat in the shadow of the twin towers, which had taken direct hits from two commercial airlines flown by terrorists intent on bringing the buildings down.

But just seven hours into the myriad conflagrations, the office tower suddenly went into freefall — descending in seconds to its grave, despite a steel frame undamaged by airplanes or other falling structures — baffling countless architects and engineers.

“At 5:20 PM, the 47-story WTC 7 fell completely and symmetrically into its own footprint in the manner of a textbook controlled demolition,” Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth wrote earlier this year. “Seven years later, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded that the collapse was due to normal office fires (which had never before brought down a steel-frame high-rise). But today thousands of architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation.”

While the suggestion the building more likely suffered a surreptitious, controlled demolition might seem conducive to tinfoil hats, the fact WTC 7 did not appear to experience major structural damage prior to its crumbling has not been sufficiently explained, to this day.

Because, the fact remains, towering structures — even those constructed back in the 1970s, like Grenfell Tower, circa 1974 — were engineered and built according to specifications ensuring even all-consuming fires could still facilitate escape to safety by as many people as possible.

Indeed, steel-framed high-rises should endure veritably anything, and while Grenfell Tower apparently lacked building-wide smoke detectors and sprinkler systems — among other ultimately fatal scrimps — the structure’s extensive fire damage did not cause an additional catastrophic collapse.

All 83 structural, vertical support columns, as architects and engineers from New Zealand noted, would have to have been severed at the same time to force such a collapse.

Were reports concluding Building 7 fell to the ground because office fires truly accurate, Grenfell Tower — consumed with intensely hot flames, estimated between 700 and 1,000 degrees centigrade, for over a day — should have suffered a similar fate, falling into its own footprint, 24 floors crushing into one another on its way to the ground.

It didn’t — nor did The Address Downtown Dubai, when an electrical fire set alight the 63-story structure, igniting a colossal inferno on New Year’s Eve in 2015.

The Address didn’t collapse — in fact, it’s not only still standing, its structural integrity remained intact enough to be restored and is in use today.

Another monstrous fire in a Lanzhou skyscraper, in China’s Gansu Province, last Sunday also failed to demolish the building.

Building 7, thus, stands as a veritable lone testament — a sore thumb — among numerous other all-consuming blazes tragically taking human, but not structural, victims.

So, while Grenfell Tower’s burnt-out frame still haunts the London-area skyline, its demolishment seems likely only to come from a planned, structural, controlled demolition — should one be planned.

Yet, World Trade Center 7 — which incidentally housed offices of the CIA, the IRS, the U.S. Secret Service, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and other prominent government and banking establishments — will never again grace new postcards displaying the iconic skyline of New York City.

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Claire Bernish began writing as an independent, investigative journalist in 2015, with works published and republished around the world. Not one to hold back, Claire’s particular areas of interest include U.S. foreign policy, analysis of international affairs, and everything pertaining to transparency and thwarting censorship. To keep up with the latest uncensored news, follow her on Facebook or Twitter: @Subversive_Pen.
  • David Daisy May Boldock

    Those twin towers fell too symmetrically for it not to be an inside job.

    • Jamie Hall

      Even a blind man could see that. I’m not trolling you. I’m just pointing out that the real problem lies in the fact that gullibility or outright stupidity runs rampant among the sheeple.

      • Cowboydroid

        The twin towers did not fall symmetrically at all. They both pancaked the whole way down, starting at the levels that were most damaged by the planes.

        • David Daisy May Boldock

          It must have been amended before it got to the UK, but it did from what i saw.

          • Cowboydroid

            Not sure what that’s supposed to mean.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            I mean the truth can be easily distorted.

          • Cowboydroid

            And….?

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            You believe what you want to believe.

          • Cowboydroid

            Look at the video of the collapse with your own eyes. I believe physics and engineering, not individuals who have knowledge of neither.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            I did see it and studied it at length.You’re lame attempts at diminishing any commenter’s opinions as being from uneducated none experts is pathetic. You have no idea or clue as to what my or any other persons qualifications are. This was an inside job, and the mere fact of seeing Bush’s face when at that school being informed was as false as he and his fucked up Father before him.

            Try studying Physiognomy, in that i am an expert and never been wrong, as i am not wrong either about you.

          • Eduardo Esteban Estes

            Yeah steel doesnt melt either. Take off the tin foil!
            As the floors above started falling onto the floor beneath them the weight capacity was exceeded and the building came down. The Empire State Building was an entirely different type of construction!

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Tin foil is removable. Sadly a tin head and a rusty tin head at that is not.

          • Eduardo Esteban Estes

            Id say you have both covered quite well. A conspiracy theory kook on the level of those who believe in UFOs and ghost hunters is what you and others that have bought into this drivel!

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Try again but in English if you will.

          • Steve Anderson

            So, for every action there is no longer an equal and opposite reaction then?
            You are suggesting that the building could not support itself.
            You are stating that there was no resistance. You do realise that, yes?

          • Eduardo Esteban Estes

            Each floor in that building had a weight it could carry. Damage the structure so that multiple floors fail and fall and the building comes down. Add the heat from fire and the impact from a 777 you have the result. Only idiots and their quests of conspiracies cant grasp that.

          • Eleanor LeTourneau

            Am in agreement with you and for quite a while. Here is something many of you might be interest in from a fire man caught in one of the towers and his story about it might give you added information if you don’t have it already. https://www.loosechange911.com/watch?v=QaKL15W_4og&lc=z13twlipcsqff22xcpzgryyngp5ug.1497669168951277 We need a new investigation but with most all evidence gone and quickly it would be hard but not impossiable and should be done. Especially for all those who lost their lives that day and since.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            Many thanks lass. 🙂

          • We are Anonymiss

            Can you try that page again? It gives us a “page not found” response.

          • Cowboydroid

            None of my arguments dispute the claim that this was an inside job. My arguments are focused SOLELY on the claim that the twin towers collapsed from some force other than the planes crashing into them and generating a fire that weakened the steel megastructure. Go back and read my posts if you want verification.

          • David Daisy May Boldock

            No thanks, i have seen enough of you’re diarrhoea of the keyboard.

          • Steve Anderson

            So what caused the explosions in the basement?

          • Smash Islamophobia

            Perhaps you would be more successful in convincing these individuals if you were able to come up with another example of a steel framed skyscraper that, like Building 7, suffered a sudden, complete, symmetrical collapse from fire. Should be easy, right?

          • Cowboydroid

            I’m not talking about building 7. I’m clearly taking about the twin towers. The building 7 collapse did NOT resemble the collapse of the twin towers.

            The fact that you and the others here aren’t able to comprehend this means you aren’t capable of thinking coherently on the topic.

          • Steve Anderson

            So building 7 was different? How?

            I am just a pathetic builder so I want to know what an “expert” thinks happened.

        • Dean Woodlief

          So even if it did happen the way you think then there has to be a time interval delay for each beam or column to shear then collapse to the next one and so if we use a half second per floor then it would take about 1.45 mins to it to completely pancake and it did it in about 8 seconds freefall speed…….impossible

          • Cowboydroid

            Oh my God.

          • Pink Beyonce

            Gee, it would be nice if people didnt run others down on here, most of the comments seem to be from people who are curious and would like to have answers. People should be vallidated for their imput, not destroyed for their opposing opinions. Please be kind to one another.

            What are your opinions (whether correct or incorrect) to what could have caused the structure to come down on itself in this way within such a short amount of time ?

            Maybe planted bombs at each floor along each structural beam ? Or ?

            I am not an engineer, nor do I have any qualifications in building, architecture, mathematics, physics, science, demolition or forensics. ?

          • Steve Anderson

            Cowboy is suggesting that the building could not hold its own weight, at best.
            He ignores the fact that all three building came down at freefall or near freefall speed.
            He is a moron.
            Sorry, it had to be said. You were all thinking it anyway.

        • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

          When a plane crashed into The Empire State Building way back in the day, did it collapse?

          • Cowboydroid

            How big was the plane and what sort of damage did it cause?

          • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

            You can look it up, but the point being – NO BUILDINGS HAVE EVER PANCAKE COLLAPSED IN HUMAN HISTORY LIKE THAT WITHOUT DEMOLITION! Especially #7 that wasn’t even hit by a plane.

          • Cowboydroid

            (facepalm)

            It’s a veritable chamber of idiots in here.

            Get an engineering degree, please.

          • We are Anonymiss

            Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth?

          • Anthony

            Maybe you’d be better off looking up Newton’s 1st and 3rd laws of motion….

          • Cowboydroid

            I have an engineering education. Do you?

          • Anthony

            Then you should immediately rescind your degree. After that, go back and review the laws stated above.

          • Cowboydroid

            LOL, excuse me if I haven’t been convinced by the thoroughly silly analysis of one with no engineering background.

          • Steve Anderson

            He never said he had a degree. And that is painfully obvious.
            One should ask him how it became so hot. Hot enough to melt concrete.
            I’d love to hear his answer to that.

          • We are Anonymiss

            Cowboydroid said 6 days ago that he does have an engineering degree. He must have gotten it from ITT Tech.

          • Steve Anderson

            Fuck.. Do not suggest such a thing..
            Old Cowboy would be lost if he read that.

          • Dean Woodlief

            I agree with the idiot who wrote this………he IS an idiot

          • dougstir
          • hang3xc

            It was a B-25 bomber and crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building, between the 78th and 80th floors, carving an 18-by-20-foot hole in the building. The accident did not compromise the building’s structural integrity. The building was hit on a Saturday and was open for business on many floors on the following Monday

          • Steve Anderson

            This indecent was the reason that the twin towers were built to withstand multiple airliner strikes.

        • Dan Quixoté

          Not quite. On the way down most of the mass was converted to dust. 84-86%. Basements and parking garages were perfectly intact, whereas the 1.3 mln tons of original mat’ls should have pounded all the way to bedrock 70ft below grade. Siesmic stations put the events at 0.5-0.6 on Richter scale, should have registered near 2.0.

          https://youtu.be/vadSaWyiozg

          • Ken Lowder

            The earthquake was over 2.0 and the fall, recorded on video and seismographs put the fall at around 17 sec, not 10 or less

            http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/demolition/seismic.html

          • Cowboydroid

            On the way down,most of the mass was obliterated. Dust and debris get driven out by the falling mass. Not sure where you’re getting the idea that it should have driven itself into the bedrock below.

        • dougstir

          How do you “pancake” this structure?? By blowing out ALL the columns at multiple levels of course! That’s the only way!
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2dc8deb638e46ed8e9281af8ecd85773f2f3b645486adc5a0e085fda5011e80.jpg

        • We are Anonymiss

          You say that they buildings did not fall symmetrically, yet then you say they pancaked…but, that is the very definition of falling symmetrically.

          • Cowboydroid

            Pancaking is not the same as falling symmetrically about an axis. There was a distinct tilt to the fall of the upper 20 stories. The upper 20 stories losing support is what crushed the structure beneath it in a pancake fashion. If you watch the video, the bottom stories remain intact until crushed by the falling upper stories. This is inconsistent with a controlled demolition.

          • We are Anonymiss

            So, the thermite just majically appeared?

          • We are Anonymiss

            Yet, the whole purpose of a controlled demolition IS to pancake a building. Try again. So, how about the thermite that was used? What was it they use thermite for? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2094cc1021f26a8b416f9820257d66cf6e1892a047a8dd8260100a827270c263.jpg

      • David Daisy May Boldock

        Bit of both i would say Jamie.

    • Cowboydroid

      The twin towers fell exactly as expected given the damage they sustained.

      • We are Anonymiss

        And Tower 7?

        • Cowboydroid

          That’s the only one that appears to have been a controlled collapse.

          • We are Anonymiss

            They all were. When they do controlled demolitions, if they do it wrong…what happens? It doesn’t go down right; the building only partially collapses, rolls over on it’s side, etc. Because all the damage was on one side of the building, that is what should have happened. You don’t make a building pancake by taking out the support on only ONE side. That will make the collapse go off to the side.

          • Cowboydroid

            You’re claiming demolition charges were installed at the specific floor levels where the planes crashed? And were those installed before or after the planes actually hit the building?

          • We are Anonymiss

            They may have had them all the way up the buildings. They can be programmed as to when to detonate.

            Of course they were done before. This wasn’t something they could do in a couple of hours.

          • Cowboydroid

            Good grief.

          • We are Anonymiss
      • junktex

        LMAO.

        • David Daisy May Boldock

          Bet he’s fun on firework night lol

      • Dean Woodlief

        Stooopid!!!!!!!

        • Cowboydroid

          Says the troll who probably hasn’t taken a single engineering class in his life.

          • Dean Woodlief

            Explain Building 7 collapsing and why weren’t the fire sprinklers on to put the fires out…..they had to be shut off…..and when you can pour jet fuel onto structural steel and light it does not even come close to the temp to cause any weakness….. and wouldn’t it have collapsed when it first happened when while the jet fuel was at it’s hottest and not when it was all burned off…….. basic laws of thermodynamics

          • Cowboydroid

            Building 7 is a different story.

            An almost fully fueled plane combined with several floors of offices filled with combustible material is more than enough to weaken the structural steel cores of the twin towers beyond what the impact would have already imparted. There’s more burning than just the jet fuel. Basic laws of thermodynamics.

          • Dean Woodlief

            Building 7 IS the story……. so how does a 47 story building collapse demolition style from a few little office fires and why didn’t the sprinklers activate…. So you’re saying you would feel safe going into a building like that knowing that a few small office fires brought it down in it’s own footprint at free fall speed ……..While never happened before or since

          • Dean Woodlief

            Explain building 7!!! nothing hit it and only a small fire and it collapses at free fall speed …….Please explain!!!!!!!!!!

          • The building can not pancake all the way down at free fall speed, it’s scientifically impossible! The upper section could not keep crushing all the floors below it at a constant free fall speed along the path of maximum resistance crushing a section of a building far greater and far heavier in proportion. It’s impossible to crush 47 steel core columns at free fall speed, eventually there would be a drastic slow down and loss of momentum and that section would have toppled down sideways. Scientific experiments have been run on this matter and were conclusif. Only if the core columns beneath were severed at te same time at every floor level, the upper section could go down crushing the building as per the IDIOTIC pancake theory. The building was disintegrating into fine dust as it came down far from what a pancake collapse would look like!
            Pancake theor

          • Ken Lowder

            As the floors collapse onto each other, they gain the weight of the new floors added. More mass=more destruction and bigger earthquake as it all hits the ground

          • The pancake theory was debunked long ago, even NIST stopped using it as the reason for the building rapid collapse, please wake up and go do some research… there are countless reputable architects and engineers who have debunked that theory because it defies the law of physics of the conservation of momentum, there’s a delay that must be expected due to the law of conservation of momentum, a fundamental law of physics.
            NIST were forced to acknowledge the weakness of the pancake theory!

          • We are Anonymiss

            Actually, no. All the weight was already there. It was already supported by the superstructure, which was designed to support that weight “dead load” plus extra weight “live load.” To say that the dead load was increasing would be like saying that you can build a building with 10 tons of materials and when you are done, it will weigh 20 tons.

          • Cowboydroid

            You’re denying the force of gravity exists?

          • We are Anonymiss

            No, not at all. Of course gravity exists. It IS the law and one that is NOT subject to repeal. At any rate, what is the point of your question?

      • Dean Woodlief

        The big question is where did the buildings go…. the volume of debris doesn’t equal anywhere near the amount of the building material

        • Cowboydroid

          On what sort of analysis are you basing that conclusion?

        • David Daisy May Boldock

          The planes too. It seems the Bermuda Triangle comes to you direct.

      • Anthony

        The planes were a lateral force into the building. The buildings were built with each floor having the perimeter wall and inner core columns. Additionally, all the cross bracing between the perimeter walls and core columns for over 100 floors. The core was super strong and built to withstand much more damage that was sustained that day. Even if the top 20-30 floors did collapse, there is zero chance of those floors falling through the rest of the building. What should have happened is they should have toppled over.

        • Cowboydroid

          I don’t think you understand how engineering works. The building was not designed at all to have a Boeing 767 flown into it.

          The core was designed to resist the gravity and lateral forces of wind and seismic activity. It was not designed to withstand impact from a plane and the much more severe damage caused by fire.

          If the top 20-30 floors collapse, there is nothing stopping it from taking down the rest of the building. That’s an additional load of several thousands kips on the remaining structure, which is was most certainly not designed to support. There is zero chance the rest of the building is going to prevent the top 20 stories from falling once the structure is severed.

          The building was not stiff enough to “topple over.” The only buildings stiff enough to do that are short concrete structures.

          Some of you people have unrealistic expectations of structural behavior for high rise buildings. No doubt a product of a lack of engineering education.

          • Anthony

            “I don’t think you understand how engineering works. The building was not designed at all to have a Boeing 767 flown into it.”

            No, but they were designed for a Boeing 707. Not a huge size difference.

            http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

            “The core was designed to resist the gravity and lateral forces of wind and seismic activity. It was not designed to withstand impact from a plane and the much more severe damage caused by fire.”

            Actually, the core and entire building as a whole could resist numerous plane impacts. The buildings “burned” for a hour and a half. The fire was clearly oxygen starved therefore not burning at temperatures even close to melt or even weaken steel. Research the max. temp that jet fuel can produce. Not even close to the melting point of steel and certainly not hot enough to weaken steel that was burning for an hour and a half. Have you seen the recent towering inferno in London, Dubai etc.? These buildings burned for 18 hours plus. For some strange reason, ithey did not collapse !

            “If the top 20-30 floors collapse, there is nothing stopping it from taking down the rest of the building. That’s an additional load of several thousands kips on the remaining structure, which is was most certainly not designed to support.”

            Right. The 80 floors below were most certainly not enough to stop the 20 floors above . No where near enough potential or kinetic energy to plow through 80 floors. The core was the strongest part of the entire building. Additionally, the forces get distributed around the structure after the impact of the plane. That’s why buildings are engineered they way they are, to take into account all possibilities.
            ***********************
            Here’s a refresher for you:

            Newton’s Third Law
            Identifying Action and Reaction Force Pairs
            ” A force is a push or a pull that acts upon an object as a results of its interaction with another object. Forces result from interactions! As discussed in Lesson 2, some forces result from contact interactions (normal, frictional, tensional, and applied forces are examples of contact forces) and other forces are the result of action-at-a-distance interactions (gravitational, electrical, and magnetic forces). According to Newton, whenever objects A and B interact with each other, they exert forces upon each other. When you sit in your chair, your body exerts a downward force on the chair and the chair exerts an upward force on your body. There are two forces resulting from this interaction – a force on the chair and a force on your body. These two forces are called action and reaction forces and are the subject of Newton’s third law of motion. Formally stated, Newton’s third law is:

            For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
            The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object. The direction of the force on the first object is opposite to the direction of the force on the second object. Forces always come in pairs – equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs.”
            *******************

            The buildings shouldn’t have toppled over but the 20-30 floors above the plane crash should have. See above “equal and opposite force” . That means the 80 floors below exerted WAY more force than the 20 floors above. Not even close !! There was not nearly enough PE or KE unless you had another force pushing down into the 20 floors and through the 80 floors.

            Now, immediately got to the school you received your engineering “education” and ask for a refund.

            I don’t know who’s responsible, but clearly there are a lot of holes and questions to the official story.

          • Cowboydroid

            This is the danger with someone knowing not quite enough about a subject but enough that they can convince themselves.

            Newton’s 3rd law does not apply as you claim. You’re ignoring the force of gravity that pulls the upper 20 stories down. The building does not exist in a vacuum. Once the support is weakened or removed, gravity will start pulling and the force required to resist becomes exponentially larger as the mass gains momentum.

            Neither should we have expected the top 20 to 30 stories to “topple over” once the inner core was sufficiently weakened. The core of the building was fairly uniformly damaged, and the fire would have weakened it evenly to the extent that the top 20-30 stories would have fallen fairly straight downward on the rest of the structure. If you watch the video, you can see that they are just slightly off axis, certainly consistent with being very close to uniform damage through the structural core.

            Now, immediately cease practicing engineering without a license.

          • Anthony

            Dude, seriously, now I know you”re full of shit. I did not ignore the upper 20 stories at all. Not only should you immediately rescind any “degree” you may have but you should also take a course in reading comprehension.

          • Cowboydroid

            You’re ignoring the force of gravity in applying Newton’s third law, you imbecile.

          • Cosmic Cowboy

            The lateral forces related to the plane impact were dissipated throughout in the milliseconds following impact. The structure would have been pushed sideways, resisted, and rebounded because of the elasticity (flexibility) of the structure. After that there were no lateral forces to make the top floors topple. So, that idea is just completely off base. If something so basic is misunderstood, do you think there might be flaws in any of your other scientific reasoning?

          • Steve Anderson

            You do know who John Skilling is, do you not?
            You are actually making an arse of yourself.

    • NDMA
      • We are Anonymiss

        Don’t forget the attack on the Liberty and the Lavon Affair.

      • David Daisy May Boldock

        Cheers for that link.

    • We are Anonymiss

      Don’t forget about that one guy who couldn’t even fly a Cessna, much less a Boeing. Yet, somehow, he was able to do maneuvers that only an “expert” could have pulled off.

      • David Daisy May Boldock

        Beginners luck eh lol

      • Steve Anderson

        You are mistaken. An expert could not have flown that plane how it was flown.

        • We are Anonymiss

          Really? Are you a pilot? (Now how do we convince others that the scenario is impossible).

  • Lawrence Pearson

    ARE YOU GONNA BELIEVE THE TRUTH OR ARE YOU GONNA BELIEVE YOUR GOVERNMENT ? My government right or wrong , right or left , write or have no notes to aid in recalling facts . While we disqus odd facts . Why did the insurance company pay for a building that defied reason or logic in it’s collapse ?

  • Tom Murphy

    “Depends on the structure. If the main structure of the building is made of concrete/ metal I would be surprised if it collapsed, however this fire has burned for a number of hours so the heat would be considerable. It would depend on the thickness/ type of materials and sort of reinforcement they had.” – Dr Claire M Benson, fire scientist in the Explosion & Fire Research Group at London South Bank University http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2017/06/grenfell-tower-heres-what-a-fire-scientist-thinks/

    “Materials matter

    The fire risk level of any building also depends on its structural design – that is, the capacity of its materials to resist fire. Different materials receive different fire ratings in each design. For example, steel buildings are normally required to have structural elements such as beams or columns that can stand for one to two hours with the help of fire protection material such intumescent paint, which swells up when heated to protect the material beneath.

    According to reports, the key structural components of Grenfell Tower are mostly made of concrete – a material which rates highly in terms of fire resistance. While other materials can buckle in high temperatures, concrete structures can help to prevent the collapse of a building in case of fire” http://theconversation.com/grenfell-tower-disaster-how-did-the-fire-spread-so-quickly-79445

    With regard to the Twin Towers, the key part of the construction was steel columns AND trusses between the inner section and outer walls (all load bearing walls). The plane crashes knocked critical fire-proofing (which is needed to protect the steel) off of the steel trusses! Firemen have known buildings can collapse due to fires. Firehouse Magazine from Sept. 1998 explained that fact clearly: “Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, it is not a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel.”

    We can see the very signs of a fire-induced collapse which top “9/11 truthers” themselves admit would indicate a fire-induced collapse. Problem is they don’t realize these signs were evident. David Ray Griffin and others claim there was no bowing or sagging before the collapse YET THAT IS FALSE because well before the collapse we can see it!

    The very first video I uploaded to YouTube which should have put an end to David Ray Griffin’s ignorant claims several years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dSIYYEW5LRZx-m25GW9xAps

    The very same area that we can see in a photo here: https://sites.google.com/site/representativepress/east-face-of-wtc2-9-21-am

    then you can see that the bowing has progressed in a photo here: https://sites.google.com/site/representativepress/east-face-of-wtc2-9-53-am

    Then you can see that very same bowed in area where it reaches the point of total failure in this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQmaGCxHxj8

    We can see the early stages of the bowing in the two pictures linked above and then we can see how that bowed in area reaches the point of total failure in the video linked above.

  • Jolef Havel

    If by now, june 2017, you still believe the “official” report you have to be incredibly stupid.

    I’d be more worried about the fact that the US is led by a bunch of maniacs that will stop for nothing in their path to achieve their agenda.

    But, like I mentioned before, IF you truly are an exceptional idiot, by all means:

    – send your 19 year old’s to fight for oil,
    – have your clean drinking water supply destroyed because they say fracking doesn’t hurt the environment.

    and much ,more of this shit.

    America, wake up while you still can – Right now you’re as free as the North Koreans.

  • a.c.hall

    The UK Metropolitan Police say that many victims from the Grenfell Tower Fire will remain unidentified. At the 9-11 WTC Investigation, NO expense was spared to indentify the Victims by DNA Analysis of the Debris and Dust of the Ground Zero Victims. UK Government will Not Go to the same Expense. In the UK , Property trumps Human Life every time.

  • We are Anonymiss

    No similar structure fire caused a collapse before, or since 9/11. Of course it was an inside job. The evidence was there. Showers of sparks? We have never seen steel showering sparks. That would be thermite. Molten steel. Steel melts…i.e. becomes liquid at greater than 1600 deg. However, jet fuel burns at about 815 deg. The buildings were brought down by controlled demolition.

    “But, but, planes can fly for HOURS with the jet fuel in their tanks. The buildings collapsed in less than that time.” This is true, however, the jet fuel in a plane engine, or the fuel in any engine is burned at a controlled rate. You throw out all that jet fuel and now it burned at an uncontrolled rate. There was no jet fuel burning when the towers collapsed. It had already burned. However, you still have to explain Tower 7…which was not hit by a plane, yet still collapsed.

    • Cowboydroid

      Steel doesn’t have to liquify to become weak. It softens at much lower temps, certainly within the range of jet fuel burning (which is actually closer to 920 C). For the twin towers to have been brought down by a controlled demolition, the charges would have to have been installed exactly where the planes struck the building, since that’s where the collapse initiated. If you think that’s more believable…well, I have some ocean front property​ in Arizona you might find of interest.

      • Dean Woodlief

        You my sir are and idiot or either a government paid troll because no one is that ignorant!!!

        • Cowboydroid

          Calling me an idiot doesn’t make you right or me wrong. I’m confident enough in my engineering education to understand how steel structures perform. Thank God nobody asked you for an engineering assessment.

      • We are Anonymiss

        And the firefighters who described “molten steel pouring down the channels like in a foundry”? Yes it got SO soft it became liquid!

    • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

      So what happened on 9 11?
      An Israeli False Flag Operation is what happened.
      1. The Project for a New American Century was written in Israel in 1996 under the name – A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.
      Requires a new Pearl Harbor for their plan.
      2. Zionist Jew Silverstein purchased WTC 6 weeks prior. First time the WTC was ever put into Private Hands. Friends with Israeli Prime Ministers & Intelligence Services, along with Fed Reserve President & World Bank Presidents.
      3. Zionist Jew Frank Lowy paid $127 million in May 2001 for a 99-year lease on the retail area beneath the New York World Trade Center. Member of the Golani Brigade & fought in the Israeli war of independence.
      4. Zionist Jew Ronald S. Lauder was key individual who lobbied for the privatization of the WTC. Lauder has funded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel.
      5. Airline Security Company at BOTH the Boston & Newark airports on 9-11 was a wholly-owned subsidiary of an Israeli company (ICTS). Most employees were ex- Shin Bet Israeli agents.
      6. Security at the WTC was run by Kroll Associates, owned by Jules Kroll & Jerome Hauer (BOTH Jews). Hauers mother involved in the creation & maintenance of the State of Israel.
      7. Zionist Jew Philip Zelikow (Jewish Dual Citizen of Israel) wrote the fraudulent 9 11 Commission Report.
      8. Zionist Jew, Richard Perle, Chairman of Pentagons Defense Policy Board, was expelled from Sen. Henry Jacksons office in the 1970s after NSA caught him passing highly classified documents to Israel.
      9. Dual Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff was assistant attorney general for the criminal division of the Justice Department; later, Director of Homeland Security.
      10. Israeli messaging service Odigo sent AT LEAST 2 Israelis prior warnings on 9 11, 2 hours prior to attack. Odigo has offices in New York & in Herzliya, Israel. Herzliya happens to be the Head Quarters of Mossad.
      11. Zionist Jew Pete Zalewski was the air traffic controller responsible for 2 of the planes on 911 & another plane full of top Pakistani military officials whose plane (Egyptian Fl990) crashed 2 years prior to 911.
      12. Israeli Mossad Jews caught & arrested filming & celebrating WTC prior to & after 1st plane hits WTC. Jumping up & down, lighting lighters & holding them up in air.
      13. Ted Olsen’s wife supposedly placed an impossible cell phone call from on the plane during 9 11, Ted Olsen was Israeli Spy Jonathon Pollard’s attorney.
      14. Israeli Mossad Jews caught with explosives near George Washington Bridge on 9 11.
      15. Zionist Jew Alan D. Ratners Metals Management merged with the SIMS group & the Hugo Neu Corporation & sold over 50,000 tons of crime scene evidence.
      16. Over 60 Israeli spies arrested on 9 11 & days afterwards.
      17. Zionist Jew Adam Pearlman is the AlQaeda spokesman. Lived with grandfather prior to joining AlQaeda, grandfather on board of ADL & huge Israeli supporter. His father helped run the Hippie Movement in SoCal then moved family to run a Kosher farm.
      18. S.I.T.E. website releases AlQaeda tapes but is owned by an Iraqi Jew who was in Israeli IDF. Her father was an Iraqi Jew & was sentenced to hanging after being caught SPYING FOR ISRAEL in the 1967 war.
      19. Zionist Jew Dov Zakheim was CEO of SPC International which developed Remote Control Flying Technology & leases Boeing 767 refuel tankers, the same planes used on 9 11. He also authored PNAC & was Comptroller of Pentagon when $2.3 Trillion went missing.
      20. According to FBI, in the Year 2000 Israeli Mossad had penetrated secret communications throughout the Clinton administration, even Presidential phone lines.
      21. After 9 11 Israeli Prime Minister Sharon said: We Jews own America & the Americans know it.
      22. Popular Mechanics so-called (Debunking 9 11 Lies) article had as its senior researcher Benjamin Chertoff, the cousin of Dept of Homeland Security Head Michael Chertoff at the time, Israeli dual citizen.
      23. Israeli Mossad pretends to be Al Qaeda in Palestine but is caught by the Palestinian Authority in 2002.
      24. October 10, 2001 (2) Israelis arrested inside Mexican Congress building with explosives, detonators & guns.
      25. November 2, 2001: FBI Fury As Israeli citizens With US Nuke Plans & Valid Israeli Passports Escape custody.
      26. Israeli citizen Philip Zelikow led the 9 11 Commission Report.
      27. US Army released on 10 Sept 2001 a study on Israel, which said: Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS Army Officers say: Wildcard. Ruthless & cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces & make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.
      28. Israeli Mossad Motto: “By way of Deception, thou shalt do war.” (Motto Removed prior to 9 11).
      29. Bin Laden constantly denies committing 9 11, until 4 days before the 2004 election. Video considered fake.?
      30. Ehud Barak, the prime minister of Israel until March of 2001, came to the U.S. shortly after leaving office. He came, ostensibly, to work as a special advisor for Electronic Data Systems and as a consultant with SCP Partners, a Mossad-run private equity company focused on “security related” work. SCP Partners did business with Metallurg Holding, Inc., as well as Advanced Metallurgical Group, both sharing the same Wayne, PA address. AMG specializes in the production of the same super-thermite used to collapse the three skyscrapers on 9/11.

  • John C Carleton
    • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

      ABC News: White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious “middle-easterners” were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

      According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

      “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.”

      Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

      The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.

      The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.

      The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here’s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

      American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.

      “…two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge … The FBI … says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge.”

      The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers’ vans are a common intelligence cover. The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released.

      “There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11.”

      Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”

      How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?

      • John C Carleton

        Yep, yep and yep!
        You are right.

  • Jamie Hall

    Go ahead and call me a kooky conspiracy theorist. But I have to point out the one thing that nobody has so far mentioned. If 9/11 was an inside job so that TPTB could you it as an I-told-you-so excuse to circumvent civil liberties and start new wars, is it any less plausible that somebody could have enough clout to notably light up a couple of high profile buildings to create their own I-told-you-so moment to expose the prior inside job? It’s just a hypothetical. I have no proof or even intimate knowledge. But those were some mighty raging infernos. And those don’t typically occur so frequently to make such prominent headlines as this.

    • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

      The Patriot Act was written BEFORE 9/11….

      • Jamie Hall

        Good luck convincing anybody with any sense that 9/11 was not used as the poster child for trotting out the “Patriot” Act and parading it down Main St. I don’t care if it was written 100 years ago. The fact remains that 9/11 was used as a cover to make the power grabbing and overreach look legitimate.

  • R.G.

    Hmmm, no airplanes blowing gigantic holes in the building. Hmmm, completely different structural engineering techniques. Hmmm, very different weight loads. Hmmm, very different insulation. Yeah, I can’t understand this either.

    I understand that this site is nothing but click-bait filled with nonsensical articles written by people with IQs below 80 and no higher education whatsoever, but, wow, the stupidity of these 9-11 conspiracy people is truly scary.

    • Tina J~

      The story is not about the towers that were hit by planes. It is about Tower 7 which is comparable to the London tower.

  • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c76a9854fb4a2a5f299c1dfbbfeed339c09b6e23386bf60609c4ce059d62121f.jpg Evidence of over 200 Israeli Mossad and IDF experts being whisked away out of the country immediately before and after 9/11/01, many of whom were arrested and found to have bomb materials but let off the hook by the son of an Israeli Mossad agent who happened to also be the US Department of Justice’s Chief of Criminal Investigations, none other than the Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff, the man with the wherewithal to illegally destroy all of the crime scene evidence on 9/11/01??? He was assisted by two other Ziocon sayanim, federal District Court Judge for NYC Alvin Helllerstein and federal Judge Michael Mukasey, who blocked all of the federal lawsuits and continue to do so to this day!

    Israeli IDF explosives and signals experts, dual Israeli/US citizen sayanim Ziocon government infiltrators in key US government positions, the Israeli Mossad, the Bush Crime Cabal, MI6, the CIA, the FBI, the USAF, the FAA, the Military Industrial Complex, the US State Propaganda Ministry, Saudi Intelligence, and likely also Pakistani ISI all played a role in the 9/11 Psy-Op. The Israeli Mossad and Israeli IDF planted the airplane “cut-out” explosives in each Tower through their cover operation known as “Gelatin”. Israeli IDF explosives experts used some of the 350 W-54 retrofitted tactical nukes they obtained illegally from the Bush Crime Cabal to take down the Towers. They were also responsible for a tremendously powerful thermobaric nuclear demolition device which was placed likely by truck near the HVAC coolant tanks for each of the Towers way underground. This was by design because the HVAC coolant in the giant tanks acted as a nuclear fuel facilitator for the nuclear thermobaric bombs. These bombs were for the unique purpose of taking out the super strong backbones of each of the Towers centrally located that were used to hang the floors. If anyone doubts this was a nuclear demolition, it has already been decisively proven by some very brave US nuclear research scientists at the US Department of Energy’s Sandia Nuclear Research Laboratories who analyzed 33 air samples taken by the US Geological Survey (USGS) within a 1-mile radius of Ground Zero shortly after 9/11/01. It was also proven by a heavily diluted water sample taken from below Tower 6 about 5 days after 9/11/01 that was analyzed by the US Environmental Protection Agency. That heavily diluted sample of water had 55 times the background level of Tritium for NYC, which is proof-positive of a nuclear fission reaction. Further confirmation has recently been obtained with the confirmed presence of Cherenkov Radiation on and after 9/11/01, the blue fluorescent light which is always seen with nuclear fission reactions in water. There were many power-downs shortly before 9/11/01 and many people observed white contractor vans between the hours of 2-5 am making “deliveries” when no workers were in the buildings. The power-downs guaranteed no security cameras could capture their actions on camera. The security company was run by Kroll & Associates, a sayanim company.

    Do you remember Ziocon sayanim Rumsfeld, Bush’s Secretary of Defense, getting on tv the day before 9/11/01, talking about the unaccounted for missing 2.3 trillion dollars in the Pentagon budget??? The Assistant Secretary of Defense and Comptroller for the Pentagon happened to be another Ziocon buddy of his and dual Israeli/US citizen and Rabbi, Dov Zakheim. He also was the CEO of a company that was very much involved in fly-by-wire remote technology. Another one of their fellow 9/11 dual Israeli/US citizens was Philip Zelikow, who pre-wrote the utterly ridiculous 9/11 Commission (MORE LIKE OMISSION) Report before they had even interviewed anyone. Able Danger was a Pentagon investigation team of researchers tasked with identifying the real perpetrators of the 9/11/01 operation before 9/11/02 had ever taken place. They were getting too close for comfort for Rumsfeld, so Rumsfeld called an Emergency meeting of the Able Danger investigative team at the Pentagon on 9/11/01. Rumsfeld had 37 Able Danger investigators assassinated that day by a Cruise Missile fired from the Atlantic Ocean.

    Israeli IDF and the Mossad and their CIA and sayanim allies in the US State Propaganda Ministry along with MI6 and the CIA bear the greatest culpability for the Psy-Op false-flag of 9/11/01. Saudi Arabia and Pakistani ISI played only bit parts in this Psy-Op. No planes whatsoever flew into anything that day. The planes that were involved were intercepted by fly-by-wire technology used by Dov Zakheim’s company. This is why the pilots of those aircraft never were able to send any hijack codes or communicate anything for that matter when their planes were intercepted. The US government has technology to put false blips on radar screens and they were using it that day for the military exercises being conducted conveniently to fool so many control tower air traffic controllers that day. Isn’t it convenient how all radar data was destroyed for that day “accidentally”??? An airline stewardess and others in the airline industry know to which USAF airbase these planes were diverted. It appears the passengers were likely fed some line of bull about the necessity to divert the aircraft temporarily at the USAF base close by in order to get their scripted cellphone calls completed because at the time of 9/11/01 cellphone calls aboard aircraft could not be reliably sustained above 8000′ above sea level. All of the calls appear to be scripted as if reading off a script and they seem very awkward without the typical logical feedback of conversation. Some refer to the flight attendant as a “hostess”, which is only common aboard El Al Israeli airlines, so this is clearly how a Mossad agent would script a reference to a flight attendant. The fight attendant Betty Ong makes a call to Operations, which is NOT even standard protocol for flight attendants in a hijacking situation – again, this points to ignorance of standard protocol in the airline industry. The passengers may have been told that this was part of a terrorist drill. The airline stewardess who wrote the recently published book, “Methodical Illusion”, knows where they were taken and what happened to these poor souls to insure they would never talk. On board one of those planes was a well-known Mossad assassin, Daniel Lewin. Go figure!

  • Dean Woodlief

    They couldn’t find the engines or the black boxes but they could find a supposed pristine passport from one of the terrorist……. If anyone of you think that jet fuel can melt steel then go by a piece of steel and pour kerosene on it and let it burn for and hour and see if it melts like you say…….you won’t because you can’t

    • PRINCE PURPLE RAIN DELUXE O(->

      Magic ID?

    • We are Anonymiss

      Those passports are REALLY tough, aren’t they?

  • David Styles

    So much fucking bullshit written on this site. If you believe any of this shit you are as stupid as the writers. There are so many inaccuracies this beggars belief. Get your fucking facts straight and respect the grieving families you scum.

  • krimsenkatt

    I thought it was interesting that when i watched one of the mainstream news stations, at the end of the segment the last thing that was said was “It’s still not clear if the weekend structure will collapse.” After all their stories about 9-11, I thought it was psychologically telling on their behalf.

  • Ben Burnett

    Nah shit, we all know, but no one does anything more then state the obvious