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If Anyone Should Be in a Standoff, It’s the Paiute Natives Whose Land Was Stolen By Feds & Ranchers

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What if the armed protesters who seized control of empty administrative buildings on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge were Paiute activists, rather than white militiamen?

Would left-leaning critics of this arguably ill-considered action denounce the protest as an act of “armed sedition against lawful authority” carried out by “domestic terrorists,” and call for immediate military action to slaughter the occupiers? Or would they consider the possibility that federal control over the land is illicit, the status quo untenable, and that the demonstrators are animated by legitimate grievances?

Harney County, Oregon, where the standoff is taking place, was named after General William S. Harney, who rose to prominence during a punitive expedition in the 1850s to “chastise” restive Upper Brule Sioux for organizing armed resistance against white encroachment on lands supposedly guaranteed to them by treaty. In the 1860s, an outpost named after the general was established near present-day Burns, Oregon, not far from the scene of the ongoing standoff. Fort Harney played a key role in the “Snake War,” a four-year campaign to subdue and assimilate the Paiute and Shoshone in Idaho, Oregon, and Nevada. That relatively obscure conflict was, in the words of historian Gregory Michno, “the deadliest Western Indian war in American history.”

One federal objective in the Snake War was to break the resistance of the Paiutes and confine them in a reservation. As originally constituted in 1872, the Malheur Reservation encompassed some 1,778,560 acres of land supposedly set aside for the use of nomadic Indian bands who had lived in the region since time immemorial. An official named Samuel Parrish was appointed as Indian agent in 1873, and he endeared himself to the Paiutes by treating them respectfully and dealing with them equitably. His replacement, Harrison Linville, was a more typical bureaucratic specimen, padding his requisitions and charging extortionate prices for rations which the Indians had been promised during peace negotiations.

During Linville’s tenure, records a Paiute tribal history, “stockmen and ranchers were pressuring the government to turn over reservation lands for settlement and grazing of cattle. They were not even waiting for a federal mandate but began to run their livestock and even build ranch homes on the reservation.” Contention over the area near Fort Harney was especially acute: The Paiutes gathered camas roots – a staple of their diet — in the fertile valley. Then, without any legitimate claim to the land, white ranchers threw up fences and began running cattle.

Rather than treating those ranchers as terrorists or subversives for unlawfully seizing land held in trust by the federal government, the administration of President U.S. Grant simply ratified the illegal seizures.

In 1876, President Grant “ordered the northern shores of Malheur Lake open for settlement,” thereby cutting off another important harvest area from the Paiutes. Compounding the injury with an insult, Grant appointed William Rinehart, a veteran of the Snake War, as the Indian Agent. In that position Rinehart continued the effort to exterminate the Paiutes, choking off their rations and allowing white settlers to invade Paiute lands at will.

Paiute Chief Egan confronted Parrish in a bid to stave off extinction.

“Did the government tell you to come here and drive us off this reservation?” the Paiute Chief demanded to know. “Did the Big Father say, go and kill us all off, so you can have our land? Did he tell you to pull our children’s ears off, and put handcuffs on them, and carry a pistol to shoot us with? We want to know how the government came by this land. Is the government mightier than our Spirit-Father, or is he our Spirit-Father? Oh, what have we done that he is to take all from us that he has given us? His white children have come and taken all our mountains, and all our valleys, and all our rivers; and now, because he has given us this little place without our asking him for it, he sends you here to tell us to go away.”

Within a few years, the Paiutes – hungry and desperate – joined in the regional uprising called the Bannock War. After putting down the Indian insurgency, the victorious Feds rounded up every Paiute it could find for transport to Washington’s Yakima reservation. Those who evaded federal custody melted into the hills throughout the ION (Idaho Oregon Nevada) region.

General George S. Crook, the U.S Army’s most accomplished Indian fighter, candidly admitted that the Bannock War was provoked by the government he had served with such distinction.

“It cannot be expected that they will stay on reservations where there is no possible way to get food, and see their wives and children starve and die around them,” Crook wrote of the starving Paiutes and Shoshones. “We have taken their lands, deprived them of every means of living…Our Indian policy has resolved itself into a question of warpath or starvation; and, merely being human, many of them will choose the former alternative where death shall be at least glorious.”

From Washington’s point of view, the behavior denounced by Crook was a justified exercise of “plenary” authority over Indian lands obtained through conquest of an inferior race.

In the 1823 case Johnson and Gram’s Lessee v. William McIntosh, the U.S. Supreme Court held that while Indians “were admitted to be the rightful occupants of the soil, with a legal as well as just claim to retain possession of it,” they were denied clear title to their property – that is, the “power to dispose of the soil at their own will, to whomsoever they pleased.”

Ownership of the land on which the Indians lived was supposedly transferred from them to the newly arrived Europeans through royal grants issued by monarchs whose authority was ultimately derived from the Pope. According to the Court, those decrees by distant kings of whom the Indians had never heard were sufficient to “convey the soil as well as the right of dominion to the grantees.”

Henry Wheaton, who was the reporter for the Supreme Court at the time of that ruling, later wrote that the Indian tribes, as “heathens,” were “the lawful spoil and prey of their civilized conquerors” and that it was a “maxim of policy and of law, that the right of the native Indians was subordinate to that of the first Christian discoverer.” Arch-nationalist legal commentator Joseph Story elaborated on this idea, describing the Indians as “infidels, heathens, and savages [who] were not allowed to possess the prerogatives belonging to absolute, sovereign and independent nations.”

The racial and religious roots of federal Indian policy have been exhumed through a lawsuit filed on behalf of Nevada cattle rancher Raymond Yowell, a former chief of the Te-Moak band of the Western Shoshone Indians. In May 2002, the BLM – acting without a court order — mounted a paramilitary operation to confiscate Yowell’s 132-head cattle herd for refusal to pay grazing fees. The rustlers then billed the rancher $180,000, and began to garnish his monthly Social Security check when he refused to pay.

Yowell’s ancestors were among the signatories of the 1863 Ruby Valley Treaty with the federal government, which recognized the tribe’s sovereignty over a 24 million acre swath of western lands the Shoshones called Newe Segobia – “The Land of the People of Mother Earth.”

While demanding that the Shoshones refrain from interfering with telegraph lines and stagecoach routes, the Feds did nothing to discourage or deter illegal settlements on Shoshone land. In 1962 – one year shy of the centennial of the Ruby Valley Treaty – the federal Indian Claims Commission proclaimed that this pattern of federally abetted “gradual encroachment” by Euro-American settlers and speculators had “extinguished” all Shoshone claims to their lands.

A brief filed on Yowell’s behalf observed that while cases subsequent to the 1823 Johnson decision “tended to omit explicit reference” to the doctrine that Indian land rights must yield to the “superior” claims of white Christian settlers, its core precepts did occasionally bob to the surface.

Thus in the 1877 Beecher v. Weatherby case, the Court decreed that Indians should be dealt with in a fashion appropriate to “an ignorant and dependent race.” In 1946 – the year Congress created the Indian Claims Commission to dispose of Indian land claims – Justice Stanley Reed batted away a suit filed by the Alcea Band of Oregon’s Tillamook tribe by breezily stating that “discovery by Christian nations gave them sovereignty over and title to the lands discovered.”

Nothing in the US Constitution justifies the institutionalized assumption that the federal government had the right to act as “trustee” on behalf of its so-called Indian “wards.”

The Supreme Court struggled to find constitutional warrant for that belief in the 1886 case United States v. Kagama. When the text refused to yield the desired outcome, Justice Samuel Miller threw up his hands and concluded that the plenary authority to regulate Indian affairs grew out of “the ownership of the country … and the right of exclusive sovereignty which must exist in the National Government, and can be found nowhere else.”

That ruling, one commentator wryly observed, introduced the “`it-must-be-somewhere’ doctrine of Constitutional interpretation.”

The “finders keepers” or “might makes right” approach to Indian affairs “has never been repudiated,” notes Yowell’s brief. “It is the continuing basis for all aspects of federal Indian law.” The federal government insists that it is acting on “well-settled” legal principles. The brief replies that “slavery and racial segregation were considered `well-settled’ law, and were nonetheless subject to challenge as fundamentally incompatible with the Constitution and the principles of respect for human rights.”

Ammon Bundy, the de facto leader of the militia group occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, describes the objective of the standoff as the restoration of “the people’s constitutional rights.” He also claims that the militia intends to occupy the federal buildings “for as long as need be” and won’t leave until the people of Harney County “can use these lands as free men.”

However, as the CATO Institute reports, property rights advocates who want to change public views need to find ranchers more appealing than the Bundys, who want to overgraze other people’s land without paying for the right to do so, or the Hammonds, whose unauthorized fire on federal lands threatened firefighters’ lives. Without better representatives–preferably ones willing to pay their own way and not rely on taxpayer subsidies–they won’t be able to capture the hearts and minds of the American people, which means the future of ranchers who depend on federal lands is dim.

If he’s serious about that objective, Bundy should make specific overtures to Paiute residents of the county, who would have a great deal to say about the subject of dispossession by federal decree. After comparing notes, these two groups might come to understand that the federal Leviathan State is, and has always been, the bane enemy of people of every ethnic origin.

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    • Haha. Funny picture. Im not up on the situation tbh. Ive got to pull back from the world. School kinda loaded me down with shit since we had a 2 week break.

    • ‘Merica!

    • But from what I have read this is the dumbest fucking thing possible. Someone got butthurt because they were told no. So they picked up their guns and started waving them around in the name of a couple arsonists until the press showed up. Theres not been any shooting, theres no real police presence. Again Ive read like 2 articles on this so Im not even breaking the surface I think.


      In my head the real question is:
      Who is taking care of your responsibilities at home and your work while youre off “fighting for our freedom” in fucking Oregon?! We have BOYS with more powerful weapons taking bullets for our freedom on another continent. We have ‘men’ passing laws that create more and more taxes, raising the amount of money all have to make to give away.
      You want to stage a fucking armed sit in to protect your right to some land you dont own, but paid taxes for?! Get the fuck outta here you wannabe piece of trash. Take that fucking gun and put a bullet where it belongs. In between your own eyes before you get someone killed you fucking moron.

    • No its about serving time being let out only to be told you have to do more time because of federal sentencing laws ! You obviously don’t read very well !

    • Glen Lisenby Absolutely. Double Jeopardy. You can’t sentence someone twice for the same crime.

    • I know that’s why they are fighting this injustice . And the media is spinning it in to a terrorists attack.

    • See : Wounded Knee ’73 for your answer…

    • Labeling people terrorists because the athority are abusing their power ! And soon to come to you and I , the powers that be are using this to see how many are awake and willing to fight the tyranny !

    • Not many my I add , most are attacking them so it won’t be long now !

    • Back to sleep Ro, you’ve wondered away from your herd of sheep…

    • They were told their served time didnt meet the minimum for their sentence. Im sorry but if I have to go back and serve time for traffic tickets a couple of terrible ass pyros can serve their minimum sentence as well. You cant have equality in a country if youre creating exceptions to the rules every time the public has a problem with what youre doing. The government was established to make the hard decisions the people were unwilling to make. Unwilling to deal with. Now, because someone got their feelings hurt, its okay to ignore your duties? To shirk your responaibilities off on other people? Fuck the message look at the reality and consequences of the situation. These fools took up arms and are sitting in an abandoned place, using the “we paid taxes for this so we own it” to do so, to protest what? That these 2 are serving unjust time? That they shouldnt have to serve the same amount of time as the rest of the pyros? Or is it because they were released, apparently against protocol, and are being brought back in? Get over yourselves PLEASE. Every other state in the US requires people to serve a specific amount of time. As far as Im aware only the US Justice system has minimum and maximum sentences. Everywhere else just throws you in a fuckin cell and releases you when they remember you were there. Would these protestors like to adopt those attitudes? What effective solution are these protestors proposing to solve whatever problem they see? Because in neither of the articles Ive read did I see ANY DEMAND OTHER THAN THEIR RELEASE. What makes these 2 arsonists better than you? What makes them better than me? Not a fucking thing. So why should they be exempt from the law?
      Thats not double jeopardy as they were not convicted a second time. Its essentially the same thing as having to serve non-consecutive sentences.

    • My question to you, Randy Carr, is which part of my statement makes me a sheep? The “government is making decisions youre not comfortable making” part? Or the one asking who is taking care of the responsibilities these idiots are ignoring while they sit and play with their rifles part? Is expecting a group of grown ass individuals to take their responsibility seriously making me a sheep? Or the expectation that when someone has a problem they suggest an alternative solution and not just throw a tantrum until they get what they want?

    • Randy Carr Hoka hey

    • So in an awesome moment of someone NOT BITCHING, Ive been explained what happened for their sentencing.
      It is SUPER SHITTY, but its legit. Multiple offenses for the same crime. Arson + something like destruction of federal property + something else STILL isnt DJ. Its SUPER SHITTY and they should have been informed of all charges at the original case, but this is still no reason to act like this. They all have brains. They all have the ability to crack open law books and devise an alternative solution. When we came to America we came because THIS was our alternative solution to religious persecution. Our forefathers didnt sit around and bitch about the problem. They stood up, pulled their pants up, and did something about it.

    • not sure it’s reasonable to compare the AIM movement of 1973 to the Bundy family… Russel Means and his followers were the product of hundreds of years of genocidal policy and social injustice, whereas the Bundies are the product of… inbreeding?

    • A) Bundy is standing up to BLM (federal government) abuses, this is much less about the the 2 who were sentenced (twice) for the same crime
      B) Wounded Knee 73 was about removing corrupt officials from tribal government, yes, they were protesting for a different reason.
      However, we are comparing federal government responses to a different group of people and not so much comparing the reasons for the protests. Which is what the original question was, would it be different if it were a different group of people.

      Actually, I could almost reduce the issue to the point that, Native Americans and ranchers have the same beef with the federal government, being removed from the land..
      I do believe the NA have even more right to the land than the ranchers or the federal government ( the real bully here ), but I don’t see any reason why the federal government can’t accommodate all groups in involved and they should, especially in light of the fact that they broke a promise in the acquisition of the land in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo 1848.

    • Ro, ranchers start fires all the time in an effort to stimulate growth in areas where vegetation has been depleted by grazing animals. In this case, the fire got out of control. It happens, but out government has decided to make an example of a few ranchers(who accepted responsibility for the fire)when similar circumstances happen by Forest Service personnel a lot more and on a much larger scale, yet those Forest Service personnel are not held to the same letter of the law. If you are going to give preferential treatment to one, it needs to be done across the board. Just negate the law from the books and solve the problem once and for all.

    • Randy Carr that is an over generalization of the wounded knee occupation. the list of demands were lengthy, and not limited to “the removal of corrupt officials from tribal government”… I’ll attach a brief history of the AIM movement (including their demands) for anyone that isn’t content with such a downplayed version of this historical event.. http://www.aimovement.org/ggc/history.html

    • I have to add as well that because the issues facing each group are so drastically different, it’s silly to even try to measure the responses in relation to one another… the Pine Ridge Reservation (home of the wounded knee massacre site) has the second lowest life expectancy in the western hemisphere, a suicide rate at 150% the national average and a 80-90% unemployment rate. the Bundy’s want to graze their livestock for free… one is a social justice issue, the other is a free-loader issue… the response to the bundy’s so far has been of mixed opinions, there are facts presented on both sides to support both arguments. in the 1973 wounded knee example the public had little to no facts to support the argument on why theAIM were there in the first place… no one actually knew what was going on at Pine Ridge… there is no comparison…

    • Ro, the governbment is no one worth defending. They never vote for liberty, Property tax has stolen land from MILLIONS. Their idiotic decisions killed near a million since 9/11. Govenrments in general killed almost 300,000,000 in the 20th century outside of war, and in war only 160,000,000. Damn they kill more out of war. The armed forces have not fought for liberty in the last 50 years. If they have they would fight the Federal Government. I go go on for ever. I may write a book on every single abuse of govenremnt

    • TFTP- you are confusing rocks with oranges again. That’s not really free thought. It’s encumbered thought being used to encumber others thought. To think free, one must work on ones bullshit filter.

    • hilarious! they went all native on ya..lol

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    • Paul C III Cordova Ro Shafer Cameron Dyer Turtle Reed

    • Haha. Funny picture. Im not up on the situation tbh. Ive got to pull back from the world. School kinda loaded me down with shit since we had a 2 week break.

    • ‘Merica!

    • But from what I have read this is the dumbest fucking thing possible. Someone got butthurt because they were told no. So they picked up their guns and started waving them around in the name of a couple arsonists until the press showed up. Theres not been any shooting, theres no real police presence. Again Ive read like 2 articles on this so Im not even breaking the surface I think.


      In my head the real question is:
      Who is taking care of your responsibilities at home and your work while youre off “fighting for our freedom” in fucking Oregon?! We have BOYS with more powerful weapons taking bullets for our freedom on another continent. We have ‘men’ passing laws that create more and more taxes, raising the amount of money all have to make to give away.
      You want to stage a fucking armed sit in to protect your right to some land you dont own, but paid taxes for?! Get the fuck outta here you wannabe piece of trash. Take that fucking gun and put a bullet where it belongs. In between your own eyes before you get someone killed you fucking moron.

    • No its about serving time being let out only to be told you have to do more time because of federal sentencing laws ! You obviously don’t read very well !

    • Glen Lisenby Absolutely. Double Jeopardy. You can’t sentence someone twice for the same crime.

    • I know that’s why they are fighting this injustice . And the media is spinning it in to a terrorists attack.

    • See : Wounded Knee ’73 for your answer…

    • Labeling people terrorists because the athority are abusing their power ! And soon to come to you and I , the powers that be are using this to see how many are awake and willing to fight the tyranny !

    • Not many my I add , most are attacking them so it won’t be long now !

    • Back to sleep Ro, you’ve wondered away from your herd of sheep…

    • They were told their served time didnt meet the minimum for their sentence. Im sorry but if I have to go back and serve time for traffic tickets a couple of terrible ass pyros can serve their minimum sentence as well. You cant have equality in a country if youre creating exceptions to the rules every time the public has a problem with what youre doing. The government was established to make the hard decisions the people were unwilling to make. Unwilling to deal with. Now, because someone got their feelings hurt, its okay to ignore your duties? To shirk your responaibilities off on other people? Fuck the message look at the reality and consequences of the situation. These fools took up arms and are sitting in an abandoned place, using the “we paid taxes for this so we own it” to do so, to protest what? That these 2 are serving unjust time? That they shouldnt have to serve the same amount of time as the rest of the pyros? Or is it because they were released, apparently against protocol, and are being brought back in? Get over yourselves PLEASE. Every other state in the US requires people to serve a specific amount of time. As far as Im aware only the US Justice system has minimum and maximum sentences. Everywhere else just throws you in a fuckin cell and releases you when they remember you were there. Would these protestors like to adopt those attitudes? What effective solution are these protestors proposing to solve whatever problem they see? Because in neither of the articles Ive read did I see ANY DEMAND OTHER THAN THEIR RELEASE. What makes these 2 arsonists better than you? What makes them better than me? Not a fucking thing. So why should they be exempt from the law?
      Thats not double jeopardy as they were not convicted a second time. Its essentially the same thing as having to serve non-consecutive sentences.

    • My question to you, Randy Carr, is which part of my statement makes me a sheep? The “government is making decisions youre not comfortable making” part? Or the one asking who is taking care of the responsibilities these idiots are ignoring while they sit and play with their rifles part? Is expecting a group of grown ass individuals to take their responsibility seriously making me a sheep? Or the expectation that when someone has a problem they suggest an alternative solution and not just throw a tantrum until they get what they want?

    • Randy Carr Hoka hey

    • So in an awesome moment of someone NOT BITCHING, Ive been explained what happened for their sentencing.
      It is SUPER SHITTY, but its legit. Multiple offenses for the same crime. Arson + something like destruction of federal property + something else STILL isnt DJ. Its SUPER SHITTY and they should have been informed of all charges at the original case, but this is still no reason to act like this. They all have brains. They all have the ability to crack open law books and devise an alternative solution. When we came to America we came because THIS was our alternative solution to religious persecution. Our forefathers didnt sit around and bitch about the problem. They stood up, pulled their pants up, and did something about it.

    • not sure it’s reasonable to compare the AIM movement of 1973 to the Bundy family… Russel Means and his followers were the product of hundreds of years of genocidal policy and social injustice, whereas the Bundies are the product of… inbreeding?

    • A) Bundy is standing up to BLM (federal government) abuses, this is much less about the the 2 who were sentenced (twice) for the same crime
      B) Wounded Knee 73 was about removing corrupt officials from tribal government, yes, they were protesting for a different reason.
      However, we are comparing federal government responses to a different group of people and not so much comparing the reasons for the protests. Which is what the original question was, would it be different if it were a different group of people.

      Actually, I could almost reduce the issue to the point that, Native Americans and ranchers have the same beef with the federal government, being removed from the land..
      I do believe the NA have even more right to the land than the ranchers or the federal government ( the real bully here ), but I don’t see any reason why the federal government can’t accommodate all groups in involved and they should, especially in light of the fact that they broke a promise in the acquisition of the land in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo 1848.

    • Ro, ranchers start fires all the time in an effort to stimulate growth in areas where vegetation has been depleted by grazing animals. In this case, the fire got out of control. It happens, but out government has decided to make an example of a few ranchers(who accepted responsibility for the fire)when similar circumstances happen by Forest Service personnel a lot more and on a much larger scale, yet those Forest Service personnel are not held to the same letter of the law. If you are going to give preferential treatment to one, it needs to be done across the board. Just negate the law from the books and solve the problem once and for all.

    • Randy Carr that is an over generalization of the wounded knee occupation. the list of demands were lengthy, and not limited to “the removal of corrupt officials from tribal government”… I’ll attach a brief history of the AIM movement (including their demands) for anyone that isn’t content with such a downplayed version of this historical event.. http://www.aimovement.org/ggc/history.html

    • I have to add as well that because the issues facing each group are so drastically different, it’s silly to even try to measure the responses in relation to one another… the Pine Ridge Reservation (home of the wounded knee massacre site) has the second lowest life expectancy in the western hemisphere, a suicide rate at 150% the national average and a 80-90% unemployment rate. the Bundy’s want to graze their livestock for free… one is a social justice issue, the other is a free-loader issue… the response to the bundy’s so far has been of mixed opinions, there are facts presented on both sides to support both arguments. in the 1973 wounded knee example the public had little to no facts to support the argument on why theAIM were there in the first place… no one actually knew what was going on at Pine Ridge… there is no comparison…

    • Ro, the governbment is no one worth defending. They never vote for liberty, Property tax has stolen land from MILLIONS. Their idiotic decisions killed near a million since 9/11. Govenrments in general killed almost 300,000,000 in the 20th century outside of war, and in war only 160,000,000. Damn they kill more out of war. The armed forces have not fought for liberty in the last 50 years. If they have they would fight the Federal Government. I go go on for ever. I may write a book on every single abuse of govenremnt

    • TFTP- you are confusing rocks with oranges again. That’s not really free thought. It’s encumbered thought being used to encumber others thought. To think free, one must work on ones bullshit filter.

    • hilarious! they went all native on ya..lol

  • Probably….but they should give it a go.

  • Probably….but they should give it a go.

  • There can never be justice on stolen land

    • All land is stolen from someone sometime, but of course, there’s no justice. Problem solved.

    • It wasn’t stolen because it never belonged to anyone. It still doesnt.

  • There can never be justice on stolen land

    • All land is stolen from someone sometime, but of course, there’s no justice. Problem solved.

    • It wasn’t stolen because it never belonged to anyone. It still doesnt.

  • SO SHARED

  • SO SHARED

  • this ignores one glaring fact America was taken by force, the land, and its resources were the spoils of that ethnic cleansing and genocidal war. So if native American tribes tried to restart that war it would technically be an insurgency, and insurrection. Regardless of your stance on the issues this action in Oregon is nothing like the plight of the Indianan tribes, as these tax paying citizens are not the same as the enemy combatants the Indians were.

    • Tribes pay state tax. Probably more then most anyone in the state if that tribe has a casino. The state has their fingers in everyone’s pockets.

    • will my comment was not intended as a jab at the tribes it was a commentary on differences between the tribes and the these men in Oregon. I am not supporting an ideal or a position just pointing out that the two can not be responsibly compared with the use of logic.

  • this ignores one glaring fact America was taken by force, the land, and its resources were the spoils of that ethnic cleansing and genocidal war. So if native American tribes tried to restart that war it would technically be an insurgency, and insurrection. Regardless of your stance on the issues this action in Oregon is nothing like the plight of the Indianan tribes, as these tax paying citizens are not the same as the enemy combatants the Indians were.

    • Tribes pay state tax. Probably more then most anyone in the state if that tribe has a casino. The state has their fingers in everyone’s pockets.

    • will my comment was not intended as a jab at the tribes it was a commentary on differences between the tribes and the these men in Oregon. I am not supporting an ideal or a position just pointing out that the two can not be responsibly compared with the use of logic.

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    • too much texas sand in your vagina?

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  • #YallQaeda
    #Yeehawd
    #Ammosexuals
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    #vanillaISIS
    #YokelHaram
    #CowTippingTerrorists
    #WhiteISIS
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    #FreeLoaderRednecks
    #WannabeCattleBarons
    #AlSheBubba
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    • too much texas sand in your vagina?

    • Hahahahahaha.
      Ammosexuals. Thats the best thing Ive read today.
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  • There is NO standoff Just guys with guns . NO COPS anywhere.

  • There is NO standoff Just guys with guns . NO COPS anywhere.

  • Nothing like a sit in protest at an unoccupied building in a remote wildlife refugee to create terror.

    • Eric Holder did the same thing in the 70’s…do you consider him a terrorist as well?!

    • Yes, and so where the black panthers who occupied the capital building in1967

    • No, nor the Occupy movement or protesters in Ferguson or Baltimore. Is your sarcasm gauge off?

    • I don’t know in a “democracy” why would people be labeled as terrorists when they are just fighting for their constitutional rights?? They didn’t kill any people. Doesn’t america kill millions of people through illegal wars for profit targeting fictitious enemies? So; who are the terrorists?? Those people have the rights to be free when they are not depending on anyone for livelihood. It’s the parasitic Wall Street who are in need to impose taxes, fees, fines etc. on people and monetize things to take hard earned things away from people who are doing the real work. Wall Street, military industrial complex, government beaurocrats don’t produce anything of basic human values or needs. They are sitting on the backs of the workers regulating things with various schemes to keep people trapped into poverty and slavery.

    • And by a bunch of outsiders that no one wants there…

    • Government land is citizen land & the Oregon militia entitled to act as they are according to the constitution! The Hammonds did have property and water rights until they were unlawfully revoked. The government uses tactics to personally and financially ruin ppl until their goal is met.

    • What am I looking at exactly?

  • Nothing like a sit in protest at an unoccupied building in a remote wildlife refugee to create terror.

    • Eric Holder did the same thing in the 70’s…do you consider him a terrorist as well?!

    • Yes, and so where the black panthers who occupied the capital building in1967

    • No, nor the Occupy movement or protesters in Ferguson or Baltimore. Is your sarcasm gauge off?

    • I don’t know in a “democracy” why would people be labeled as terrorists when they are just fighting for their constitutional rights?? They didn’t kill any people. Doesn’t america kill millions of people through illegal wars for profit targeting fictitious enemies? So; who are the terrorists?? Those people have the rights to be free when they are not depending on anyone for livelihood. It’s the parasitic Wall Street who are in need to impose taxes, fees, fines etc. on people and monetize things to take hard earned things away from people who are doing the real work. Wall Street, military industrial complex, government beaurocrats don’t produce anything of basic human values or needs. They are sitting on the backs of the workers regulating things with various schemes to keep people trapped into poverty and slavery.

    • And by a bunch of outsiders that no one wants there…

    • Government land is citizen land & the Oregon militia entitled to act as they are according to the constitution! The Hammonds did have property and water rights until they were unlawfully revoked. The government uses tactics to personally and financially ruin ppl until their goal is met.

    • What am I looking at exactly?

  • Forget “Terrorists”. We already have a perfectly serviceable label to apply to Native Americans. It was very much in vogue when we were slaughtering them for their land: Savages!

    • The real “Savages” were the ones who stole their land!

    • I’m half native and would like to know what Indian tribe does not honer the conquest of combat? The land cannot be owned in our belief.

    • The Native American belief is that we borrow the land from our children

    • Or the government takes all they want and does whatever they want with it…

    • Brad Paris LOL

      The first paragraph of your article :

      “No one seems to know the origins of this saying”

      Could it be it was taken from Native Americans??? Let’s ask them…

    • they called them redskins

  • Forget “Terrorists”. We already have a perfectly serviceable label to apply to Native Americans. It was very much in vogue when we were slaughtering them for their land: Savages!

    • The real “Savages” were the ones who stole their land!

    • I’m half native and would like to know what Indian tribe does not honer the conquest of combat? The land cannot be owned in our belief.

    • The Native American belief is that we borrow the land from our children

    • Or the government takes all they want and does whatever they want with it…

    • Brad Paris LOL

      The first paragraph of your article :

      “No one seems to know the origins of this saying”

      Could it be it was taken from Native Americans??? Let’s ask them…

    • they called them redskins

  • Native Americans have already done this. Y’all never heard of the 1973 wounded knee standoff?

    • That didn’t end well. I would compare this current situation to the Alcatraz occupation. It may last awhile and probably won’t accomplish much.

  • Native Americans have already done this. Y’all never heard of the 1973 wounded knee standoff?

    • That didn’t end well. I would compare this current situation to the Alcatraz occupation. It may last awhile and probably won’t accomplish much.

  • If it was a bunch of Paiute’s that had occupied those buildings, they’d already be dead and the MSM wouldn’t have even mentioned it!

    • I disagree, if the Paiute occupied it it would probably get international media coverage, instead of just social media.

  • If it was a bunch of Paiute’s that had occupied those buildings, they’d already be dead and the MSM wouldn’t have even mentioned it!

    • I disagree, if the Paiute occupied it it would probably get international media coverage, instead of just social media.

  • Native Americans didn’t understand the concept of “owning”land. They felt we all belonged to the land, not the other way around. I don’t think they would believe in trying to “take back” something that belongs to no one.

    • Yes, I agree but fighting for their right to use and live off the land is another story which is what the Indian Wars were about

    • Ok, we all know that MAn came out of Africa , dont we, meaning that the indians and all other aboriginals are not the original inhabitants of any country on planet earth, OK.

    • Well ur wrong. And even if we did get it back….it’s trashed out now.

    • Your pretty much saying we were taken advantage of then
      right?

  • Native Americans didn’t understand the concept of “owning”land. They felt we all belonged to the land, not the other way around. I don’t think they would believe in trying to “take back” something that belongs to no one.

    • Yes, I agree but fighting for their right to use and live off the land is another story which is what the Indian Wars were about

    • Ok, we all know that MAn came out of Africa , dont we, meaning that the indians and all other aboriginals are not the original inhabitants of any country on planet earth, OK.

    • Well ur wrong. And even if we did get it back….it’s trashed out now.

    • Your pretty much saying we were taken advantage of then
      right?

  • Absolutely. And as a descendent of Celts, I want my ancestral lands back – the Franks can go back where they came from.

    How many centuries do you wanna wind back migration?

    • What ancestral lands specifically are you referring to

    • It’s now called France – before the Romans conquered, it belonged to a branch of the Celts called the Gauls.

  • Absolutely. And as a descendent of Celts, I want my ancestral lands back – the Franks can go back where they came from.

    How many centuries do you wanna wind back migration?

    • What ancestral lands specifically are you referring to

    • It’s now called France – before the Romans conquered, it belonged to a branch of the Celts called the Gauls.

  • This is an invalid argument. Using this logic, the plants owned it before the Indians. Or the dinosaurs. Or the cellular life before that.

    • If I stole your car or property and sold it , it’s not your anymore then.

  • This is an invalid argument. Using this logic, the plants owned it before the Indians. Or the dinosaurs. Or the cellular life before that.

    • If I stole your car or property and sold it , it’s not your anymore then.

  • Go for it. No one is stopping them.

  • Go for it. No one is stopping them.

  • Native Americans were slaughtering one another fighting over the same land before any white man came near them. Just like today.

    • And your point is

    • Good argument except you’re generalizing. Not every tribe was hostile, yet they all were forced out of their homes.

    • I didn’t say it was every tribe. Every militia group isn’t standing up for people’s land either. Go get your land back. I’ll stand with you.

    • Also if there was a treaty it should be honored.

    • Bottom line- government is evil.

  • Im all for the ranchers AND natives to have and use the land

  • Native Americans were slaughtering one another fighting over the same land before any white man came near them. Just like today.

    • And your point is

    • Good argument except you’re generalizing. Not every tribe was hostile, yet they all were forced out of their homes.

    • I didn’t say it was every tribe. Every militia group isn’t standing up for people’s land either. Go get your land back. I’ll stand with you.

    • Also if there was a treaty it should be honored.

    • Bottom line- government is evil.

  • Im all for the ranchers AND natives to have and use the land

  • Shit, if they wanted it to live how they used to live i’d say, GIVE IT TO THEM! But now a days they would do the same thing to the land that the BLM and the ranchers want to do: Despoil it for profit.

  • Shit, if they wanted it to live how they used to live i’d say, GIVE IT TO THEM! But now a days they would do the same thing to the land that the BLM and the ranchers want to do: Despoil it for profit.

  • it wasn’t theirs in the first place.. so they have no real argument

  • it wasn’t theirs in the first place.. so they have no real argument

  • Heather Afterfive Miller

  • Heather Afterfive Miller

  • Yeah, we can HATE just as well as they can. Gonna go get me a gun!

  • Yeah, we can HATE just as well as they can. Gonna go get me a gun!

  • So should all other nation states give back the land they overtook through war? Or just America. Moreover how would you go about giving back the land to dead people? I am all for what is right.However I’m half Indian and I don’t know of any tribe that did not honer the laws of conquest. Just a question.

    • I think the Paiute and the patriots should join together and boot out the BLM and establish a land use agreement. If the ranchers pay for water and grazing rights, the Paiute should benefit from it — an agreement between the natives and the settlers — leave the government bureaucracies and their abuse of power out of it.

      Besides can we say the BLM is effectively managing when…

    • If anything the Federal Government should honor the original Treaty with the Paiute, and let them deal with the ranchers as they see fit.

    • There is a lot of “federal land”, it should be shared with a legally binding agreement, Natives and settlers are likely more compatible now.

    • Suzanna, I have a bit of Native American in my family (Shawnee), just not enough to legally qualify as Native American. I did some research, and did good in parts of history. in the beginning, before the settlers heard the word “gold”, the Natives and settlers were trading goods. It was greed that destroyed the relationship between them; the Natives meant corn, and the settlers meant golden ore. That was the most tragic misunderstanding that could have prevented a lot of the problems had the definition of “gold” been resolved

    • You are so right Robert! Although I’m a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe, I also have the mixed European ancestry as do many of us (one ancestor, an indentured servant who dated back to pre-Plymouth Rock); although I’m no scholar, I do love to read about history. My great aunt is full Cherokee (card carrying) who was orphaned and raised by whites who pretty much raised her as a servant. I have first cousins who are card carrying Choctaw/Cherokee…. And I have family who were ranchers. I feel for the PEOPLE.

      I really think that the ranchers and the natives BOTH could benefit by working together if the government would stop micromanaging… The BLM should not be leasing public land to China or any energy corporations — that’s where politicians and corporations’ interests become questionable.

    • Lets go!

    • Patrick tart, I’m with you on that one

  • So should all other nation states give back the land they overtook through war? Or just America. Moreover how would you go about giving back the land to dead people? I am all for what is right.However I’m half Indian and I don’t know of any tribe that did not honer the laws of conquest. Just a question.

    • I think the Paiute and the patriots should join together and boot out the BLM and establish a land use agreement. If the ranchers pay for water and grazing rights, the Paiute should benefit from it — an agreement between the natives and the settlers — leave the government bureaucracies and their abuse of power out of it.

      Besides can we say the BLM is effectively managing when…

    • If anything the Federal Government should honor the original Treaty with the Paiute, and let them deal with the ranchers as they see fit.

    • There is a lot of “federal land”, it should be shared with a legally binding agreement, Natives and settlers are likely more compatible now.

    • Suzanna, I have a bit of Native American in my family (Shawnee), just not enough to legally qualify as Native American. I did some research, and did good in parts of history. in the beginning, before the settlers heard the word “gold”, the Natives and settlers were trading goods. It was greed that destroyed the relationship between them; the Natives meant corn, and the settlers meant golden ore. That was the most tragic misunderstanding that could have prevented a lot of the problems had the definition of “gold” been resolved

    • You are so right Robert! Although I’m a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe, I also have the mixed European ancestry as do many of us (one ancestor, an indentured servant who dated back to pre-Plymouth Rock); although I’m no scholar, I do love to read about history. My great aunt is full Cherokee (card carrying) who was orphaned and raised by whites who pretty much raised her as a servant. I have first cousins who are card carrying Choctaw/Cherokee…. And I have family who were ranchers. I feel for the PEOPLE.

      I really think that the ranchers and the natives BOTH could benefit by working together if the government would stop micromanaging… The BLM should not be leasing public land to China or any energy corporations — that’s where politicians and corporations’ interests become questionable.

    • Lets go!

    • Patrick tart, I’m with you on that one

  • Hey! when the early U.S. established new States, the took a lot of land from people who “Steaked” land for generations. It has been an issue and will be an issue for a long time until the “biblical”

    • oops, Constitution is rewritten for todays society.

  • Hey! when the early U.S. established new States, the took a lot of land from people who “Steaked” land for generations. It has been an issue and will be an issue for a long time until the “biblical”

    • oops, Constitution is rewritten for todays society.

  • BUT the Paiutes took the land from another tribe and that tribe from another. It’s a human paradox. The only fix is to take away free will and thumbs.

  • BUT the Paiutes took the land from another tribe and that tribe from another. It’s a human paradox. The only fix is to take away free will and thumbs.

  • They Should Be There With Our Cow Boys.Same With BLM.

  • They Should Be There With Our Cow Boys.Same With BLM.

  • That means the English have to give the land back to the Druids. Cool.

    • What lands, specifically are you referring to.
      Oh, I case you were not aware, the Druids, you refer to, were priests.

    • Thanks John. I think I made my point. Priests, spirit people, tomato, tomáto… Whatever. You must be Paiute? Your wisdom has enlightened me.

  • That means the English have to give the land back to the Druids. Cool.

    • What lands, specifically are you referring to.
      Oh, I case you were not aware, the Druids, you refer to, were priests.

    • Thanks John. I think I made my point. Priests, spirit people, tomato, tomáto… Whatever. You must be Paiute? Your wisdom has enlightened me.

  • No, they were original owners of the land which was stolen from them!

  • No, they were original owners of the land which was stolen from them!

  • Everyone migrated here at one point no one is really from here and if you ever saw how trashed the reservations were you’d be disgusted but you’re probably not native so you’re not allowed there so you’ll never know.

  • Everyone migrated here at one point no one is really from here and if you ever saw how trashed the reservations were you’d be disgusted but you’re probably not native so you’re not allowed there so you’ll never know.

  • How would everyone feel if the government took away a one inch portion of land around your entire house. Then charged you $1 every time you crossed it?

  • How would everyone feel if the government took away a one inch portion of land around your entire house. Then charged you $1 every time you crossed it?

  • They are on the way

  • They are on the way

  • It has been done before….the outcome was not good…..people are really missing the point….its about big govt intruding and dictating how we live our lives

  • It has been done before….the outcome was not good…..people are really missing the point….its about big govt intruding and dictating how we live our lives

  • oh now all of you are for the native pathetic The Free Thought Project.com fuck you

  • oh now all of you are for the native pathetic The Free Thought Project.com fuck you

  • Wounded knee 1973. The Fed’s came with tanks and air ships and snipers.

  • Wounded knee 1973. The Fed’s came with tanks and air ships and snipers.

  • The Hammonds purchase the land in 1964. Quit trying to paint it like they stole the land. Most of us liberty minded people Would’ve supported native resistance as well.

  • The Hammonds purchase the land in 1964. Quit trying to paint it like they stole the land. Most of us liberty minded people Would’ve supported native resistance as well.

  • We then they should fucking stand up instead of complaining about someone els !

  • We then they should fucking stand up instead of complaining about someone els !

  • well join in this is not a white man thing it is a American thing and no body today had any thing to do with what happened to the natives over a 100yrs ago

  • well join in this is not a white man thing it is a American thing and no body today had any thing to do with what happened to the natives over a 100yrs ago

  • The Divided States of America, is no friend of the First Nations!

  • The Divided States of America, is no friend of the First Nations!

  • WE WILL NEVER FORGET!

  • WE WILL NEVER FORGET!

  • I was just thinking the Paiute and patriots should join together and boot out the BLM and establish a land agreement. If the ranchers pay for water and grazing rights, the Paiute should benefit from it — an agreement between the natives and the settlers — leave the government bureaucracies and their abuse of power out of it.

    People bring up Wounded Knee which was a terrible thing. Since then, we’ve had Ruby Ridge, Waco, and others and I see the concern but the government interests are coming into light. The uranium and other minerals on in that region — that’s what they want control of. If the armed occupiers are careful, this should end peaceably.

    • Sadly I think the government will end up bombing them.

    • I agree

    • I’m holding out hope. Obama has already been criticized for droning citizens overseas. I think he’s working on his legacy and a Ruby Ridge type incident would forever be a stain on his legacy.

    • This ^^^^^ is an excellent idea!

    • Thank you, James Hollon! 🙂 My heart is for both the Paiute and the Homesteaders. They’ve both been screwed by the government. I would love to see them help each other sustain their way of life without government overreach and harassment. We know there are valuable resources in that land and the government wants control of it. I don’t even want to think about what the politicians plan to do with it.

    • I agree, the Feds have screwed the Native Americans far too much..

    • Way too much!!!

    • I don’t know in a “democracy” why would people be labeled as terrorists when they are just fighting for their constitutional rights?? They didn’t kill any people. Doesn’t america kill millions of people through illegal wars for profit targeting fictitious enemies? So; who are the terrorists?? Those people have the rights to be free when they are not depending on anyone for livelihood. It’s the parasitic Wall Street who are in need to impose taxes, fees, fines etc. on people and monetize things to take hard earned things away from people who are doing the real work. Wall Street, military industrial complex, government beaurocrats don’t produce anything of basic human values or needs. They are sitting on the backs of the workers regulating things with various schemes to keep people trapped into poverty and slavery.

    • I saw a post from one of their leaders who said the same thing! I hope they do it

    • Thank goodness! OH GOOD!!! I was thinking that someone involved should at least mention it! Yay! Can you share the link?

    • The Paiute leader has asked them to leave…, says they desecrate their land.

      I don’t think that leader knows the BLM is bullying natives though!

      Here’s What Happened When These Unarmed Native American Sisters Defended Their Land from the Feds

      http://usuncut.com/resistance/dann-sisters-brutalized-by-blm-defending-land/

  • I was just thinking the Paiute and patriots should join together and boot out the BLM and establish a land agreement. If the ranchers pay for water and grazing rights, the Paiute should benefit from it — an agreement between the natives and the settlers — leave the government bureaucracies and their abuse of power out of it.

    People bring up Wounded Knee which was a terrible thing. Since then, we’ve had Ruby Ridge, Waco, and others and I see the concern but the government interests are coming into light. The uranium and other minerals on in that region — that’s what they want control of. If the armed occupiers are careful, this should end peaceably.

    • Sadly I think the government will end up bombing them.

    • I agree

    • I’m holding out hope. Obama has already been criticized for droning citizens overseas. I think he’s working on his legacy and a Ruby Ridge type incident would forever be a stain on his legacy.

    • This ^^^^^ is an excellent idea!

    • Thank you, James Hollon! 🙂 My heart is for both the Paiute and the Homesteaders. They’ve both been screwed by the government. I would love to see them help each other sustain their way of life without government overreach and harassment. We know there are valuable resources in that land and the government wants control of it. I don’t even want to think about what the politicians plan to do with it.

    • I agree, the Feds have screwed the Native Americans far too much..

    • Way too much!!!

    • I don’t know in a “democracy” why would people be labeled as terrorists when they are just fighting for their constitutional rights?? They didn’t kill any people. Doesn’t america kill millions of people through illegal wars for profit targeting fictitious enemies? So; who are the terrorists?? Those people have the rights to be free when they are not depending on anyone for livelihood. It’s the parasitic Wall Street who are in need to impose taxes, fees, fines etc. on people and monetize things to take hard earned things away from people who are doing the real work. Wall Street, military industrial complex, government beaurocrats don’t produce anything of basic human values or needs. They are sitting on the backs of the workers regulating things with various schemes to keep people trapped into poverty and slavery.

    • I saw a post from one of their leaders who said the same thing! I hope they do it

    • Thank goodness! OH GOOD!!! I was thinking that someone involved should at least mention it! Yay! Can you share the link?

    • The Paiute leader has asked them to leave…, says they desecrate their land.

      I don’t think that leader knows the BLM is bullying natives though!

      Here’s What Happened When These Unarmed Native American Sisters Defended Their Land from the Feds

      http://usuncut.com/resistance/dann-sisters-brutalized-by-blm-defending-land/

  • KEEP YOUR LAW, BIBLE, AND CULTURE TO YOURSELF, WE HAVE OUR OWN!

  • KEEP YOUR LAW, BIBLE, AND CULTURE TO YOURSELF, WE HAVE OUR OWN!

  • So Typical of the Federal Govt abusing its power to acquire more land-then misusing it! We could all stand together and be heard rather than fighting amongst ourselves…that is what they want after all, for us to see each other as the enemy!

  • So Typical of the Federal Govt abusing its power to acquire more land-then misusing it! We could all stand together and be heard rather than fighting amongst ourselves…that is what they want after all, for us to see each other as the enemy!

  • We were not a nation at that time and no deeds were issued to show ownership. IT was a era of the strongest possessed the land. This is not a good comparison. Tribes fought tribes of possession of the land in those days.

  • We were not a nation at that time and no deeds were issued to show ownership. IT was a era of the strongest possessed the land. This is not a good comparison. Tribes fought tribes of possession of the land in those days.

  • Cowboys and Indians should join forces. They have a common enemy after all.

  • Cowboys and Indians should join forces. They have a common enemy after all.

  • White cannot be terrorists. Only brown people.

  • White cannot be terrorists. Only brown people.

  • The government is the terrorists if anything.

  • The government is the terrorists if anything.

  • Government brainwashed people NEED Government or you will be out of control ,living in a free world , not to mention country.

  • Government brainwashed people NEED Government or you will be out of control ,living in a free world , not to mention country.

  • so then it’s ok for feds to seize private land from whites now, because they had previously seized land from the natives? Is that what we’re saying?

    • Yep

    • people don’t realize the gravity of their actions. don’t think of it as land think of it as property. when you vote republican, you put in place a system where it’s o.k for the feds to take away property be it civil asset forfeiture because they think it might be used for crime or they just want to take it and sell it to someone slse

  • so then it’s ok for feds to seize private land from whites now, because they had previously seized land from the natives? Is that what we’re saying?

    • Yep

    • people don’t realize the gravity of their actions. don’t think of it as land think of it as property. when you vote republican, you put in place a system where it’s o.k for the feds to take away property be it civil asset forfeiture because they think it might be used for crime or they just want to take it and sell it to someone slse

  • Indian heritage is pale face speak with a forked tongue , heritage is not a color

  • Indian heritage is pale face speak with a forked tongue , heritage is not a color

  • Its not “their” land. It isn’t anyones land. This isn’t how any of this works.

  • Its not “their” land. It isn’t anyones land. This isn’t how any of this works.

  • Just as it was exposed, under the auspices of environmental protection, that Sen. Harry Reid wanted Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy off his Clark County ranch in 2014 in order to aid a Chinese solar power firm his son represents build a solar energy complex, corruption also seems to be afoot in Oregon.

    As part of a 2000 deal to prevent the government from designating Steens Mountain as a federal monument, area ranchers traded in their BLM permits and private property for land on the valley floor, which allowed Congress to create a 170,000 acre wilderness with 100,000 acres being deemed “cow-free.”

    “The last holdouts on that cow-free wilderness are the Hammonds,” Maupin said. “[The Oregon Natural Desert Association was] relentless in their pursuit to [drive ranchers] off, in order to expand the cow-free wilderness.”

    After the Hammonds are displaced from their property – which is likely considering the $400,000 they now owe the federal government as part of their sentencing – the feds will be free to fully exploit the natural resource rich area in Harney County. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the land has a high potential for silver, gold, copper, mercury, uranium and other valuable commodities like natural gas and oil.

  • Just as it was exposed, under the auspices of environmental protection, that Sen. Harry Reid wanted Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy off his Clark County ranch in 2014 in order to aid a Chinese solar power firm his son represents build a solar energy complex, corruption also seems to be afoot in Oregon.

    As part of a 2000 deal to prevent the government from designating Steens Mountain as a federal monument, area ranchers traded in their BLM permits and private property for land on the valley floor, which allowed Congress to create a 170,000 acre wilderness with 100,000 acres being deemed “cow-free.”

    “The last holdouts on that cow-free wilderness are the Hammonds,” Maupin said. “[The Oregon Natural Desert Association was] relentless in their pursuit to [drive ranchers] off, in order to expand the cow-free wilderness.”

    After the Hammonds are displaced from their property – which is likely considering the $400,000 they now owe the federal government as part of their sentencing – the feds will be free to fully exploit the natural resource rich area in Harney County. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, the land has a high potential for silver, gold, copper, mercury, uranium and other valuable commodities like natural gas and oil.

  • Exactly

  • Exactly

  • They have reservations that they govern themselves so….

  • They have reservations that they govern themselves so….

  • No they only take back there land

  • No they only take back there land

  • They were called savages and were slaughtered when they refused to accept the dishonest treaties from the white man.

  • They were called savages and were slaughtered when they refused to accept the dishonest treaties from the white man.

  • YES! thank you

  • YES! thank you

  • James Anaya, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples recommendations include advising the U.S. to return some land to Native American tribes, including South Dakota’s Black Hills… please help by signing, confirming signature and sharing… https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/President_Barack_Obama_Honor_the_Treaties_Return_the_Black_Hills/?pv=1&rc=tagging&fb_action_ids=821741174581063&fb_action_types=og.shares

  • James Anaya, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples recommendations include advising the U.S. to return some land to Native American tribes, including South Dakota’s Black Hills… please help by signing, confirming signature and sharing… https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/President_Barack_Obama_Honor_the_Treaties_Return_the_Black_Hills/?pv=1&rc=tagging&fb_action_ids=821741174581063&fb_action_types=og.shares

  • Yes, Natives would be considered terrorists and dealt with unmerciful force. #DOUBLE #STANDARD

  • Yes, Natives would be considered terrorists and dealt with unmerciful force. #DOUBLE #STANDARD

  • Yup. Americans think they stole it fair and square though…

  • Yup. Americans think they stole it fair and square though…

  • In HYPOCRITE AMERICA? Are you joking?

  • In HYPOCRITE AMERICA? Are you joking?

  • Well if the feds take it its going to be sold off like thee Apache lands in Arizona as long as Americans keep ownership of the land who cares first step is to get rid of the federally contracted BLM land swindlers

  • Well if the feds take it its going to be sold off like thee Apache lands in Arizona as long as Americans keep ownership of the land who cares first step is to get rid of the federally contracted BLM land swindlers

  • yeah, it is kind of ironic that the federal government made it possible for ranching to exist in that area, and now the ranchers are saying that the federal government is stealing their land. Welcome to the reservation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

  • yeah, it is kind of ironic that the federal government made it possible for ranching to exist in that area, and now the ranchers are saying that the federal government is stealing their land. Welcome to the reservation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

  • By government.

  • By government.

  • They are not really considered “americans” . They are considered a lower class of conquered people and to the victor belong the spoils. Since BLM and the govt aren’t doing much of anything with all the millions of acres, give it to the native americans to manage. They did a pretty good job of it until we took over

  • They are not really considered “americans” . They are considered a lower class of conquered people and to the victor belong the spoils. Since BLM and the govt aren’t doing much of anything with all the millions of acres, give it to the native americans to manage. They did a pretty good job of it until we took over

  • The ranchers didn’t steal it. The ranchers bought unknown to them stolen goods. The govt sold stolen goods.

  • The ranchers didn’t steal it. The ranchers bought unknown to them stolen goods. The govt sold stolen goods.

  • They’re welcome to muster up an army and fight, until then, I’m tired of feeling sorry for them. They lost a long time ago. Get over it.

  • They’re welcome to muster up an army and fight, until then, I’m tired of feeling sorry for them. They lost a long time ago. Get over it.

  • well give it to them, why to they have to be in a stand off

  • well give it to them, why to they have to be in a stand off

  • No. Anyone who stands up to govt tranny regardless of race are the ones with the balls to sent the govt cockroaches scurrying while the cowards woulds prefer “business as usual”.

  • No. Anyone who stands up to govt tranny regardless of race are the ones with the balls to sent the govt cockroaches scurrying while the cowards woulds prefer “business as usual”.

  • I may be wrong but the Bundy’s Ranch just may be on Indian Land itself and the men who runs it may be part of one as well and that is why he is fighting to keep his land from the Government, to which the Government know it but still wants to take it anyway because they think they can take anything they want, even your life.

  • I may be wrong but the Bundy’s Ranch just may be on Indian Land itself and the men who runs it may be part of one as well and that is why he is fighting to keep his land from the Government, to which the Government know it but still wants to take it anyway because they think they can take anything they want, even your life.

  • I seen a few armed standoffs and the police were not in a hurry to end them

  • I seen a few armed standoffs and the police were not in a hurry to end them

  • What is wrong with you, that people do not want to obey and you are laughing on them…
    So why didn’t you stand like them?
    If in my country were a group like that guys, I would join them.
    Now I see you are on government side and against civilians, aren’t you ?

  • What is wrong with you, that people do not want to obey and you are laughing on them…
    So why didn’t you stand like them?
    If in my country were a group like that guys, I would join them.
    Now I see you are on government side and against civilians, aren’t you ?

  • According to liberal Democrats they would be.. Nopw.. this isn’t the gun control distraction you need..but it’s the one you deserve…

  • According to liberal Democrats they would be.. Nopw.. this isn’t the gun control distraction you need..but it’s the one you deserve…

  • If you look what happened at the second battle of Wounded knee your question is answered but they were not terrorists.

  • If you look what happened at the second battle of Wounded knee your question is answered but they were not terrorists.

  • They apparently didn’t have the stones to fight for what was theirs, so it no longer is.

  • They apparently didn’t have the stones to fight for what was theirs, so it no longer is.

  • If a frog had wings, would it bump it’s ass every time it hopped? There’s a lot of “if’s”…..nice way to distract from reality.

  • If a frog had wings, would it bump it’s ass every time it hopped? There’s a lot of “if’s”…..nice way to distract from reality.

  • Yes because their land is in Asia. Check DNA studies.

  • Yes because their land is in Asia. Check DNA studies.

  • Agree!

  • Agree!

  • This would be another Wounded Knee…..

  • This would be another Wounded Knee…..

  • Conquest was the rule of the day. Who had the land before the previous owners or users and who had it before them. This the question that goes on everywhere, all over the world. Just when does it stop?

  • Conquest was the rule of the day. Who had the land before the previous owners or users and who had it before them. This the question that goes on everywhere, all over the world. Just when does it stop?

  • aND WHO DID THEY TAKE IT FROM?????????? Idiots!!

  • aND WHO DID THEY TAKE IT FROM?????????? Idiots!!

  • I would stand with the Natives…

  • I would stand with the Natives…

  • it happened in the 1970s at wounded knee

  • it happened in the 1970s at wounded knee

  • the land was purchased when no Natives were there…this is BS!!! Keep occupying the fake government and Protest the Unconstitutional Wars!!!

    • just because there was no permanent settlement doesn’t mean nobody was there

  • the land was purchased when no Natives were there…this is BS!!! Keep occupying the fake government and Protest the Unconstitutional Wars!!!

    • just because there was no permanent settlement doesn’t mean nobody was there

  • Docian Clouds On Fire

  • Docian Clouds On Fire

  • People need to realize that the so-called ‘government’ is just window dressing for oligarchic Elites who giveth and taketh away, at their whim. Mostly, and increasingly, ‘taketh’.

  • People need to realize that the so-called ‘government’ is just window dressing for oligarchic Elites who giveth and taketh away, at their whim. Mostly, and increasingly, ‘taketh’.

  • How far back should we go? Who did the Paiute get it from? Who did those get it from and so on?

    The list can really go on and on…

  • How far back should we go? Who did the Paiute get it from? Who did those get it from and so on?

    The list can really go on and on…

  • If natives armed themselves they would, in all likelihood, be shot dead before they were asked `Why?`

  • If natives armed themselves they would, in all likelihood, be shot dead before they were asked `Why?`

  • Some of them think they should join up with the oath keepers and make a stand together.
    I agree.

  • Some of them think they should join up with the oath keepers and make a stand together.
    I agree.

  • It’s not “their” land anymore, it was taken from a conquered enemy more than 100 years ago, get over it…

  • It’s not “their” land anymore, it was taken from a conquered enemy more than 100 years ago, get over it…

  • Ya well than they should do it. Fight for whats right if h believe in it enough than u would be fighting for it.

  • Ya well than they should do it. Fight for whats right if h believe in it enough than u would be fighting for it.

  • While I know you’re trying to be all snarky and holier than thou and all that jazz. I figured since you wanted to use my ancestors in your post I would give you some education. I’m not saying that my ancestors didn’t have their land stolen from the Europeans that invaded this country, I just want to make sure we all understand history a little better so that when you want to be a sarcastic asshole you can at least seem like an intteligent asshole. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0903_030903_bajaskull.html

    • I learned that people migrated both directions on this continent. I think if people haven’t recently taken a Native American history class they might not know this thanks for sharing!

  • While I know you’re trying to be all snarky and holier than thou and all that jazz. I figured since you wanted to use my ancestors in your post I would give you some education. I’m not saying that my ancestors didn’t have their land stolen from the Europeans that invaded this country, I just want to make sure we all understand history a little better so that when you want to be a sarcastic asshole you can at least seem like an intteligent asshole. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0903_030903_bajaskull.html

    • I learned that people migrated both directions on this continent. I think if people haven’t recently taken a Native American history class they might not know this thanks for sharing!

  • Yeah but if natives did that the govt would waste no time shutting them down. Violently , more likely too.

  • Yeah but if natives did that the govt would waste no time shutting them down. Violently , more likely too.

  • Indians help them out then!!!

  • Indians help them out then!!!

  • they would be shot, native Americans are the most abused and killed race in America per capita

  • they would be shot, native Americans are the most abused and killed race in America per capita

  • Of course your not going to hear the ranchers side of the story in the mainstream media. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/01/03/the-war-against-the-cowboys/#.Vop_tQwMUV4.twitter

  • Of course your not going to hear the ranchers side of the story in the mainstream media. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/01/03/the-war-against-the-cowboys/#.Vop_tQwMUV4.twitter

  • LOL get it line bubba

  • LOL get it line bubba

  • Maybe they should get off their assessment and help

  • Maybe they should get off their assessment and help

  • Of course! That’s the Corporation of the US. I think that has to change.

  • Of course! That’s the Corporation of the US. I think that has to change.

  • ALL NATIVE AMERICANS

  • ALL NATIVE AMERICANS

  • So they should nut up !

  • So they should nut up !

  • If land was taken from their reservation without compensation that is bs. Once they signed a peace treaty that reservation land was theirs.

  • If land was taken from their reservation without compensation that is bs. Once they signed a peace treaty that reservation land was theirs.

  • Anyone who makes a stand against the US government is labeled a terrorist.

  • Anyone who makes a stand against the US government is labeled a terrorist.

  • no they would be called patriots

  • no they would be called patriots

  • Probably.

  • Probably.

  • American Indians have tried to resist…and you will be labeled a terrorist, I understand the government is in the business of taking land, the federal government controls 84.9 percent of Nevada, 64.9 percent of Utah, 61.9 percent of Idaho, 61.2 percent of Alaska, 52.9 percent of Oregon and 48.1 percent of Wyoming. But in the case of the Bundy’s there is Indian Trust lands involved and not BLM land.

    China endorsed the democrats not long ago, in their country the government owns all the land.

  • American Indians have tried to resist…and you will be labeled a terrorist, I understand the government is in the business of taking land, the federal government controls 84.9 percent of Nevada, 64.9 percent of Utah, 61.9 percent of Idaho, 61.2 percent of Alaska, 52.9 percent of Oregon and 48.1 percent of Wyoming. But in the case of the Bundy’s there is Indian Trust lands involved and not BLM land.

    China endorsed the democrats not long ago, in their country the government owns all the land.

  • Wounded Knee

  • Wounded Knee

  • Sol Brown

  • Sol Brown

  • RECLAIMATION V Reperations

  • RECLAIMATION V Reperations

  • The human brain cannot differentiate between reality and what it sees on the telly…….we don’t rebel…..because we think we already have……Thank You Miss Everdeen……

  • The human brain cannot differentiate between reality and what it sees on the telly…….we don’t rebel…..because we think we already have……Thank You Miss Everdeen……

  • the stolen from natives in question are dead, but when they did stand up for themselves yes they were often branded as evil, just like those who do in modern times.

  • the stolen from natives in question are dead, but when they did stand up for themselves yes they were often branded as evil, just like those who do in modern times.

  • The government is full of bullies. It isn’t about race, they just don’t care about any of us. If you’re a rich corporation they care.

  • The government is full of bullies. It isn’t about race, they just don’t care about any of us. If you’re a rich corporation they care.

  • They both should stand up. I support both of them

  • They both should stand up. I support both of them

  • Free medicare and increased social security will be paid by increasing the paying cap from 118,000 (we presently stop paying social security at $118000) to 250000, more people wiil contribute.

    Retirement is covered under social security.

    Bernie will abolish NAFTA and the TPP, which are international trade agreements to allow the wealthy to export our jobs to other countries, and then bring products manufactured in those countries duty free (no $$$) when these products enter the US. This abolishement will lead to more and better paying jobs in the US,
    so more taxes will be generated to pay for infrastructure, college, family leave and pension fund.

    Bernie will increase the minimum wage to $15, so everyone will have more money to spend which creates demands for more products and jobs.

    Bernie will not allow the US to fight wars for countries more wealthy than the US like Saudarabia. This will allow money to be moved from manufacturing weapons to addressing US irgent internal issues affecting the low and middle income classes.

    Bernie will increase tax on cspital gains, which are prrsently taxed at 25%. Capital gain from wall st investments will be taxed like our salaries, so more money will be available. Tax loop holes like billions to write off wall street bonuses and jets will be removed, so more money wiil be available.

    Political corruption will be stopped, so the rich cannot buy congress to create laws to screw us and to protect their billions.

    We are already paying for healthcare through our jobs (my family pays $540 through our employers), buy having one healthcare system the government can negotiate a better deal for our dollars.

    Bernie will allow cheaper drugs to be imported to break our present high cost pharmaceutical monopoly.

    There is so much more, but i am running out of room here.

  • Free medicare and increased social security will be paid by increasing the paying cap from 118,000 (we presently stop paying social security at $118000) to 250000, more people wiil contribute.

    Retirement is covered under social security.

    Bernie will abolish NAFTA and the TPP, which are international trade agreements to allow the wealthy to export our jobs to other countries, and then bring products manufactured in those countries duty free (no $$$) when these products enter the US. This abolishement will lead to more and better paying jobs in the US,
    so more taxes will be generated to pay for infrastructure, college, family leave and pension fund.

    Bernie will increase the minimum wage to $15, so everyone will have more money to spend which creates demands for more products and jobs.

    Bernie will not allow the US to fight wars for countries more wealthy than the US like Saudarabia. This will allow money to be moved from manufacturing weapons to addressing US irgent internal issues affecting the low and middle income classes.

    Bernie will increase tax on cspital gains, which are prrsently taxed at 25%. Capital gain from wall st investments will be taxed like our salaries, so more money will be available. Tax loop holes like billions to write off wall street bonuses and jets will be removed, so more money wiil be available.

    Political corruption will be stopped, so the rich cannot buy congress to create laws to screw us and to protect their billions.

    We are already paying for healthcare through our jobs (my family pays $540 through our employers), buy having one healthcare system the government can negotiate a better deal for our dollars.

    Bernie will allow cheaper drugs to be imported to break our present high cost pharmaceutical monopoly.

    There is so much more, but i am running out of room here.

  • yes

  • Divisiveness is the shovel we are using to dig our own grave . We cannot agree on even the simplest things ,like fair and proper rights for everyone or what the problem really is ! We take one story and turn it into a completely different story with no basis of fact ! The indians had nothing stolen from them as they say they don’t own the land , they were pushed off the land that you now use for greedy purposes , true but it was never theirs in the first place ,now was it ?

  • Divisiveness is the shovel we are using to dig our own grave . We cannot agree on even the simplest things ,like fair and proper rights for everyone or what the problem really is ! We take one story and turn it into a completely different story with no basis of fact ! The indians had nothing stolen from them as they say they don’t own the land , they were pushed off the land that you now use for greedy purposes , true but it was never theirs in the first place ,now was it ?

  • The only reason why theres so much bad energy between the natives in america and the European settlers is because the horrific events that took place between the flu that killed millions and the genocide in which the land was taken. If the settlers came in peace and lived in harmony with the already living natives this would never have been an issue. No land “belonged” to anyone. It belongs to all of natures inhabitants period.

  • The only reason why theres so much bad energy between the natives in america and the European settlers is because the horrific events that took place between the flu that killed millions and the genocide in which the land was taken. If the settlers came in peace and lived in harmony with the already living natives this would never have been an issue. No land “belonged” to anyone. It belongs to all of natures inhabitants period.

  • The government labels anyone they see as a threat to their own interests a terrorist as it easily causes the uninformed to assume they’re the ones in the wrong.

  • The government labels anyone they see as a threat to their own interests a terrorist as it easily causes the uninformed to assume they’re the ones in the wrong.

  • And who stole the Paiute land? It wasn’t the ranchers.

  • And who stole the Paiute land? It wasn’t the ranchers.

  • When they say take back land, The First Nations mean, return it to the Stewards , the protectors of the land. We don’t own any of it, we honor it as our Mother.

  • When they say take back land, The First Nations mean, return it to the Stewards , the protectors of the land. We don’t own any of it, we honor it as our Mother.

  • YES and they were and the fed wiped them out and put the rest in ghettos.
    White Americans won’t go down that way

  • YES and they were and the fed wiped them out and put the rest in ghettos.
    White Americans won’t go down that way

  • Ask countless deceased native americans & leonard peltier how that went 🙁

  • The USA has become a nation of cowardly weasels.

    There were no Asians or Muslims, or Africans, or Mexicans that took a wilderness and made it into the greatest nation on earth.

    Where did the Indians come from that were living here when the white man established settlements on the east coast of the USA? ASIA that’s where!

    The stupid asses that believe the Indian ever even dreamed about getting up off his ass and leaving his warm campfire and teepee (which his “squaw slave” was responsible for building and maintaining) while he went into the wildnerness to unite his Indian Brothers of all the different tribes across the nation, if you believe that you are as mentally challenged as you are ugly.

    Part of the “Braves” job was to hunt (meaning killing animals for food–heaven forbid) It was the slaves job to pick berries, dig roots and skin the animals to cook for supper. It was also the slaves job to make jerky and clothes so the braves wouldn’t starve or freeze to death while out hunting.. All this and take care of the fire, the teepee and sexually satisfing the braves as well meant those slave squaws were kelp pretty busy.

    The ‘Brave” spent his ample amount of free time sitting around the campfire with his other Brave Buddies smoking dope and talking about what god awful good hunters and lovers they were.

    That’s pretty much all they had to do until the whiteman showed up with the “Firewater”. Now the smoking dope and bragging time turned into a real party what with all the dope and endless supply of Redeye that was supplied by the whiteman. And oh yeah, the braves started to invite some of the best looking slaves into the big teepee to smoke and drink with them and party hardy all night long.

    Fighting, killing, fucking, and hunting for meat was the Indians for’te and after the white people showed up with the booze the indians started killing them also. But the Whiteman was smart,—- he didn’t teach the Indian how to make the “Firewater” so the Indians couldn’t kill them all and that my liberal friends is the only reason you are alive today and living in the greatest country on earth.

    What a fucking joke! And now the weasels of north America want to kowtow to a different breed of savage, to be exact the Muslims. “Liberals, a fucking disaster waiting to happen”

  • Native Americans should grab their bows and arrows and get to Oregon…Feds keep taking more and more land every years!

  • By all means go for it!

  • Manson

  • i have only one word to say. ISRAEL

  • Sorry, but this question is loaded with too much ignorance to even answer.

  • This gov’t sees terrorists everywhere.

  • No

  • Most people would say what their ancestors said to them when they took it, FUCK EM its manifest destiny, and thats bullshit

  • Pine Ridge….

  • yes

  • Y’all never heard of Wounded Knee?

  • Indians of All Tribes (IOAT) once did something like this on Alcatraz, since in treaties its said that after federal buildings are no longer in use by the government, some indian tribes can utilize them. The Alcatraz Occupation lasted for nineteen months, from November 20, 1969, to June 11, 1971, and was forcibly ended by the U.S. government. Then again at Wounded Knee on February 27, 1973 when approximately 200 Oglala Lakota and followers of the American Indian Movement (AIM) seized and occupied the town of Wounded Knee, South Dakota, on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. The protest followed the failure of an effort of the Oglala Sioux Civil Rights Organization (OSCRO) to impeach tribal president Richard Wilson, whom they accused of corruption and abuse of opponents. Additionally, protesters attacked the United States government’s failure to fulfill treaties with Indian people and demanded the reopening of treaty negotiations. They were branded “terrorists”. 2 AIM members were killed and 13 wounded after a shootout occurred after the FBI began to pot shot at them, and the AIM members shot back in self defense. 2 wounded FBI soldiers were hit from shrapnel.

  • This is crazy to compare. It wasn’t regulated as a Country. It was a lot of different tribes that moved all around. It was OPEN BORDERS. and that is what George Soros is trying to get now. but if you have OPEN BORDERS you do not have a Country. This was wide open land with the Indians, and they even fought with each other. We now have laws……….or so we think. but they went to jail for burning on it is what I understand, and served their time, and then ANOTHER JUDGE came and said they didn’t serve long enough…..now that is twice for the same crime…….they don’t have $ for a good lawyer.

  • Why does the Gov. want this land anyway?? lots of families have lost their ranches???

  • America’s been terrorists before it wasn’t cool.

  • Don’t worry soon every thing will be up for grabs , it’s called WORLD WAR 111

  • The question is would they be considered “patriots”?

  • It is like a game of monopoly. When you flip over the board & start again. Israel is like this.

  • Good question.

  • This is a fucking hypocrite, he took government funds for his own personal use and sits there and has the balls to protest??

  • I’m not even gonna participate in this, trolls tend to pop up around posts like this.

  • If the media said so…

  • lmao yes you would all cry “go back to your own land”

  • They’d be considered insurgents and crushed

  • They shouldn’t be as long as they don’t target un armed innocent civilians

  • This was supposedly our ancestry tribe Kerry Northover, Ros Northover,Jason Northover, Eran Northover, Ivan Northover Glory Saunders?

    • Aztecs.. (Mexican Indians ..) If they were called Paiute, then yes, our tribe . xx

  • There you go!

  • Awww boo hoo

  • we should all ghost dance

  • Guarantee!!!

  • Demona Galt

    • the government and them reached agreements and signed treaties after such agreements and reparations where struck so if they decided to arm themselves and take land they agreed in the treaties was no longer theirs (squelched on the agreement) then yes they would be constructed as domestic terrorists .

  • Shawn Mackie

  • Death to the white man, right? Race bait much?

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