WATCH: Cop Executes Unarmed Navy Vet for Getting Out His ID — Not Charged

Bell County, TX — The following graphic account of an officer-involved shooting from August 30, 2016, serves to illustrate the failures of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of demanding 100 percent compliance of the general population during a traffic stop.  From the just released dash camera footage of Bell County, Texas Sheriff’s Cpl. Shane Geers, one can see the officer was in pursuit of a small dark colored SUV, sirens blazing.

The man in the SUV was 59-year-old, Lyle P. Blanchard, a US Navy veteran. While it appears Geers was following a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed, the two vehicles weren’t going all that fast. Geers must have noticed an officer was following him, so he decided to pull over, as nearly all driver’s education courses teach us to do. That’s where the story begins, but it does not end that way for either man.

Blanchard seemed a bit antsy, some might even say jumpy. Not content to wait until the officer walked up to his window, the man who was nearly a senior citizen, opened his driver’s side car door. Still a bit uneasy apparently, Blanchard then exits his vehicle and faces Geers. He can be seen fidgeting with his back pocket before putting his hand inside his front pocket, in what seemed to be an attempt to retrieve his identification.

Geers saw something completely different. He must have seen a man reaching into his front pocket to retrieve a gun. And just like he was taught at the academy, supposedly, when confronted with a threat, one must stop the threat by firing one’s weapon into the torso of the aggressor. That’s just what Geers did. He opened fire on Blanchard who seemed to be a bit surprised he’d been shot. The middle-aged man turned away from the gunfire before falling down in a hail of gunfire. Just before he stopped moving, viewers can clearly see Blanchard expire, in one final relaxing of his muscles.

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Almost immediately, it looks like Geers knew he’d killed a man and seemed to already be struggling with that fact. He even fell to his knees and looked to be praying. After walking over to the body, he checked to see if Blanchard had a pulse. In a word, Geers appeared angry, possibly angry that Blanchard did not comply 100 percent with his verbal commands, and potentially angry that he’d killed a man in the line of duty. When he couldn’t find a weapon, maybe he knew the situation had gone from bad to worse.

The fact of the matter is, Geers was trained to act in this exact manner. Police officers are trained to shoot when they perceive a threat or they fear their life is in danger — and they are trained to fear almost everything. After all, they have families to go home to, and no one will ever come between them returning home to their loved ones. And those training videos at many academies show real-world encounters with bad guys who are often successful in separating officers and their families in an act of rage.

In a previous interview with The Free Thought Project, whistleblower cop Alex Salazar gives important insight into the training, specifically use of deadly force simulations, and how they are designed to instill this fear:

“THESE SCENARIOS ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE ANY PERSON FAIL AND TO CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS. 

THE PROFESSION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES, BUT THE EXCESSIVE BRAINWASHING ON A DAILY BASIS TAKING PLACE, THAT YOU MAY DIE, IS TOO EXTREME AND GIVES MANY THE BELIEF IT IS OK TO USE DEADLY FORCE. IN MANY OF THESE SITUATIONS, TAMIR RICE OR ANDY LOPEZ COMES TO MIND, THESE OFFICER’S JUST WANTED TO PLAIN SHOOT AND KILL.”

Salazar went on to say,

“IT’S A BRAINWASHING MECHANISM TO GET YOU OVER TO THEIR SIDE, TO START THINKING ABOUT KILLING. IN WHAT THEY CALL THE ‘FATS SIMULATOR’ (FIREARMS AND TRAINING SIMULATOR), YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY DESIGNED TO DIE… YES IT’S A GAME AND USEFUL FOR TRAINING. BUT they’re PRE-DESIGNED SCENARIOS, WHICH ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY MADE TO MAKE YOU THINK AND PERCEIVE THINGS DIFFERENTLY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAINING. EVERY RECRUIT, I DON’T CARE IF THEY’RE AN EX-BADASS NAVY SEAL… EVERYONE DIES.

The reality is that Geers was following standard operating procedure and will likely not see one day in prison. Blanchard’s death is symbolic of the social injustices which exist in modern day policing.

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Now, two lives are devastated by the shooting which could have been avoided had Geers allowed Blanchard to retrieve whatever it is he had in his pocket. But that would not be standard operating procedure. Police officers all across America’s law enforcement officers must understand that adults and children will likely never be 100 percent compliant with officer commands so something has to give. Geers shot too soon, and shot before learning what real threats he was facing.

Geers was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing in February, yet the question still remains. Was the shooting justified?

 

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Jack Burns is an educator, journalist, investigative reporter, and advocate of natural medicine
  • The Cat’s Vagina

    This article is correct. The “training” one undergoes to be a police officer has become something a LOT more like brainwashing. The “shoot first” policies, the military equipment, the culture of complete impunity… it all seems calculated to create an “us vs them” mentality.

    Cops are becoming a military occupation of the civilian population and what’s even more heartbreaking, we’re all sitting right here and quietly letting it happen! I’m sure a breaking point will come, but people around the world (and in the future) will be wont to ask us questions like “how the fuck did you get to the point where all Hispanic and Muslim people were being rounded up and murdered?” Will we have an answer or will we just smirk and shrug?

    • Zackknowitall

      Piggy should be glad that was not my father

      • Angie MacGeil

        Has he pulled out a gun, he’d be dead today

        • Josh Van Etten

          If his scumbag father pulled out, the whole world would be better.

          Oh yeah, and this veteran would still be alive. But it’s easy not to give a shit for these men and women after you’ve used them up, right?

        • Justsomeguy151

          If you blew your brains out, the whole world would be a better place, traitorous cunt.

    • Mike

      I think it can all be traced back to the failed war on drugs and the knee-jerk over-reactions of our government, because of that every little town and city got their own militarized SWAT team, which when first developed in Los Angeles, was only used for hostage situations or other extreme situations, but now are being used to serve everyday warrants, or bust people for minor drug offenses. Like the SWAT team that threw the flash bang grenade on the baby, without even looking. Also because of the failed war on drugs, judges just sign these warrants, based on the cops word, with many time no one actually verifies the claims or even the correct house house or apartment number. Police are supposed to be peace officers, not a team of thugs declaring war on it’s citizens. It’s only going to get worse under trump and that racist redneck Sessions, as they want to give the police even more powers. If our founding fathers were alive today and saw the awful police state that our country has become, I think they would call for a immediate revolution against the government. When you treat people with no respect, and try to command their respect through fear and intimidation, you will never be respected, just ridiculed and hated. Always question authority, and never talk to the police, and always make them get a warrant, as those are your rights!!!

      • Edgar McGill

        AMEN and please say it again

        • Angie MacGeil

          Dope head? Oh yeah they stay up nights figuring all this crap out just to screw with ‘Meat Heads’ like you all.

        • Tony Iocca

          Once again, Today’s Police procedures are reminiscent to the wild west. Apparently Officer Geers has been vindicated of Murder or even poor judgement. The killing of Lyle Blanchard has been deemed inevitable, similarly to what was said back in the Wild West. “If so-and-so did not shoot him, someone else would have.” That was excepted in the Wild West when killing a young hot head that was armed and constantly threatening others.
          Mr. Blanchard’s was executed for his history of running off at the mouth while drunk. Officer Geers decided to lean on Mr. Blanchard resulting in killing him in cold blood. Officer Geers knows what he did and I would hope he is remorseful. With all these recorded videos as evidence that shows indeed killer cops are at-large menacing the public…

      • Tony Iocca

        Great points Mike, these SWAT teams have to earn their pay on a daily basis, so they get used often. In the Army we formed QRF (Quick Reaction Force). The QRF was made-up of pre-selected members of the unit that drop their normal responsibilities to react quickly to a threat. QRF could be adopted by most communities that employ Masked Militarized SWAT teams. These arguments are all very political…

        Police work is not for the deceitful, faint at heart, feeble-minded, or the limp of wrist. Everyday is an experience that molds our Police force into the future and what it is today. Some time ago the Police procedures put them at a disadvantage in some dangerous situations when confronting criminals. Today’s Police procedures put the General Public at risk with drawn and or trained weapons at traffic stops. It only takes a twitch to unintentionally discharge a bullet into someone they’re discerned with.

        Police work is not for the deceitful, faint at heart, feeble-minded, or the limp of wrist. Everyday is an experience that molds our Police force into the future and what it is today. Some time ago the Police procedures put them at a disadvantage in some dangerous situations when confronting criminals. Today’s Police procedures put the General Public at risk with drawn and or trained weapons at traffic stops. It only takes a twitch to unintentionally discharge a bullet into someone they’re discerned with.

        The Police have taken on the role of “Intimidater/Executioner”. The General Public is considered as “Public Enemy #1.” Today’s attitude of bark orders, shoot first, (more than one shot; because one shot might look like an accidental discharge) after the smoke clears hog-tie the corps, then request medical help to the scene. Look for evidence while waiting for the ambulance to arrive. No medical aid is given to the victims of Officers inflicted shootings by the Officers on scene.
        IMO an Officer should be qualified in treatments for gun shot wounds before they are issued a weapon.

        Suspicion and accusations formed by speculation and conjecture without evidence or justification are damaging to the reputations of both the accuser and accused. Many official Police reports are exaggerations that lose touch with reality, recognized as INJUSTICE by reasonable persons. It does not take a Court of Law to realize a breach in the public trust is occurring from incompetent procedures. It is not in the best interests of Public Relations for the Police to practice the art of deception…

        Is it better that hundreds of innocent people be shot and separated from their families, rather than one Law Enforcement Officer?

    • Angie MacGeil

      Sorry I’ve lived thru more cop stops than I’d like to imagine. Cool, calm, yes sir, no sir. And I went home. Sure I was .02 oz heavier with a ticket or bored to tears with his babbling ‘what if’ scenario’s. But never got grazed, never shot back more than my mouth. Went to court, ticket excused and I’m home free. Just got to be smarter than a fence post

      • Josh Van Etten

        Plus you love the taste of cop dick, so its win-win for you.

      • Karen Dennie Huffaker

        Here’s a question. What if the veteran was hard of hearing? What if he couldn’t hear the officers commands? Do you think the cop even looked at this gentleman and thought, “He’s older. Maybe he can’t hear what I’m saying.”? His fear kicked in just like it was trained to do and he shot an unarmed man. This officer now has to live with that every day. That’s the point of this article. Training is turning decent people (and some not-so-decent) into overreacting murderers. And the system is backing them up. In this new era, everyone is fair game and no apologies necessary.

      • Justsomeguy151

        Don’t forget the part where you let yourself get cornholed by the pigs on the side of the road like the pig cocksucker you are.

        • A1701

          i’m sure there’s a movie of that somewhere….

      • Bill the eighth

        Well aren’t a good, well trained, little slave and cop sucker! Just because you lived through multiple traffic stops doesn’t mean everyone does and it doesn’t mean you will continue to do so. How about the grandpa shot because the cop ordered him out of his truck and then mistook his cane for a rifle? Or what about Jack Yantis? What about all of those deaf people beaten and killed by cops because they couldn’t hear the cops? Moron cops thought they were being ignored and disrespected, so they shot and killed then deaf person. What about cops illegally entering private property and killing dogs? What about all of that miss smarmy?

    • Kingzilla

      I don’t think it is intended to create an us vs. them attitude at all. (even though it does) I think that it is created so that police forces can avoid any responsibility (and more importantly to them – Liability) at all for their actions. After you kill someone they are not around to defend themselves or sue the police. The handful of cases like this that actually end up being Judged against the Police where they have to pay compensation doesn’t bother them at all because in the end our Tax Dollars end up paying for them.

  • Ajax Smith

    What do you expect in a country where guns are so freely available?
    The 2nd amendment needs rethinking.

    • Amor Terra

      Bullshit. Utter bullshit from someone who parrots what they hear, instead of actually THINKING.

      • Ajax Smith

        I see someone getting shot by a scared cop.
        Is there something else I should be seeing?
        If put my hand in my pocket a cop will think I am getting out my keys or a chocolate bar.
        They wont think I am about to shoot because we don’t have handguns here the way you do.
        So do you think these shootings should continue?
        If now what do you think you can do to stop it?

        • Amor Terra

          Last year in the U.S., 63 cops, out of around 800,000, died from gunfire (friendly or not). Less than one in 12,000. An average American has a much greater chance of dying in a car accident each year. Why are cops SOOO afraid of getting shot, but people aren’t wetting themselves every time they get in a car? Not because being a cop is so dangerous (my job as a farmer is multiples more dangerous than theirs). Not because there are so many bad people waiting to kill them (the statistics don’t lie, and they tell the same story every year). But because they’re cowards who don’t bother to think through just how unlikely it is that they’re going to be homicided. THINKING is the solution.

          ETA: Not to mention that cops here have killed people holding a 5 gallon bucket and argued they “feared for their lives.” Should we outlaw buckets too?

          • Marc Shelton

            Gutless cops are just one part of the problem…..fuckin police unions, government coverups, crooked judges…..it’s government. If these fuckin people fear for their lives to the extent of killing innocent people, get rid of em. Citizens are paying BILLIONS upon BILLIONS in law suits for these gutless bitches. They’ll kill innocent and unarmed people but take hours to go in a building where 1 bad guy might be because they’re gutless. You will bleed to death waiting for these self proclaimed heroes. Pussies.

          • Amor Terra

            My dad was a cop for about 30 years, and generally a decent man, but despite that, I’m afraid I have to agree. This crappola that they have to treat everyone like public enemy No. 1 because they “want to make it home to their families” is total BS. And if I hear a cop on a video say “we don’t know who you are–you could be a terrorist” one more time, I may become homicidal myself. WE don’t know who THEY are, and judging by the headlines, we are a lot more justified, numerically, in believing they are terrorists than they are in believing that of us.

          • Angie MacGeil

            Go become a cop, go thru the shooting course where you get 3 scenarios to live or die. Tell us how long you lasted

          • Ayy Lmao

            I bet you lived since you would probably shoot everyone and complete the 4th scenario where you pleaded “I was scared for my life” and got off with a clean record for shooting an infant.

          • Marc Shelton

            I’ve worn a badge….for 6 years as Military Policeman…..spent 4 of it as a patrol supervisor…..on military bases the size of cities…..scored in the top 5% out the U.S. Army for job knowledge thank you smart ass. Why don’t you try it??……you don’t kill first and ask later moron…..these fuckin pricks lack humanity and are gutless bitches. Now a man is dead for it…..These punk asses think their paranoia is justification for killing people. Go be a fuckin school teacher if you’re that gutless. And you bite my ass Angie.

          • Bill the eighth

            Why would anyone in their right mind become a stinking government enforcer and revenue collector? You have to be a drooling moron to be a pig.

          • Ajax Smith

            America’s problems is not just about scared cops.
            I didn’t pretend it was.
            When a cop kills and handcuffed man, it isn’t due to fear. If anything it is due to lack of it.
            There are issues such as independent oversite, racism, impunity and training that need to be dealt with.
            But there is also an issue of availability of guns.
            We are all one bad day at work away from going crazy.
            But in most countries when someone goes crazy, they might shout and scream until they get arrested. Or maybe pick a fight or try to cut someone with a knife. In America guns allow them to do a lot more than anywhere else.

            5 gallon buckets are needed to carry 5 gallons of liquid, guns are not needed for anything but killing people. The fewer of those there are, the better.

          • Bill the eighth

            You don’t know SHIT about America, so quit claiming you do and quit making these moronic posts.

          • Amor Terra

            These cops aren’t just “scared.” They’re cowards. They sign up for a job that carries with it a certain, quite small, amount of danger. Then they whine like little babies about the job they signed up for, and use lies and hyperbole to consolidate more power and less accountability for themselves. They are a plague on a free society. And they’re getting worse by the day.

          • Ajax Smith

            Every country needs a police force. What you need is for your police force to behave like police do in countries where the police behave better.
            There will always be bad apples. Bad people who join to do bad things. Or good people who join, and then decide to do bad things.
            There needs to be a way for these law breakers to be prosecuted just as people who are not in the police get prosecuted when they break the law.
            And we also need oversite to remove police officers who are unfit to do the job, before they kill someone, and not after.

          • Amor Terra

            Which, oddly, is exactly what I argue for. First, an end to the “qualified” immunity (read, CARTE BLANCHE) that American cops have to roust, abuse, and harm people–even totally innocent people who they have no reasonable suspicion to detain. Second, a requirement that police carry liability insurance for their jobs, just like lawyers, engineers and doctors do. Then, if they keep getting complaints and lawsuits, the insurers will do what the politicians are too stupid or cowardly to accomplish–get rid of the bastards before they do any more damage. But the start of it all is to recognize that being a cop is not such a dangerous job that we have to handle them all (no matter how ill-suited) with kid gloves because we “don’t understand what it’s like on the streets.” Which is the cowards’ mantra for why they should be allowed to abuse people for no reason. And people like you, who start off making excuses for them (your it’s the guns BS) are NO HELP.

          • Ajax Smith

            I am not making excuses. Guilty police are guilty. I am just saying your 2nd amendment has a lot to do with the slaughter. Whether it is cops killing citizens or citizens killing citizens. Or even people killing themselves.
            We all have bad days.
            The rest of the world doesn’t have as many gun deaths as America.
            So the problem lies with America itself.

          • Amor Terra

            I don’t think that the 2d amendment has much to do with it at all. The rate of gun crime in the U.S. has DECREASED as the number of guns and the percentage of people who are gun owners has INCREASED. What is causing the violence here is the same thing that’s causing it in Mexico, and Honduras, and many other countries that DON’T have a 2d amendment–an unjust society with corrupt government, in near-breakdown status, with tens of millions of hopeless people. You are correct in one respect-the problem is America. Not Americans’ guns.

          • Amor Terra

            Oh, and BTW, there aren’t a “few bad apples” when the bad ones continually get away with their abuses because the rest of the system protects and encourages them. That is when you have reached, “have spoiled the whole barrel.”

          • Ajax Smith

            America is messed up. And it has always been messed up. It was a land stolen from the red man. Blacks were enslaved to earn money for whites.
            The system was made to preserve this.
            And the attitude of the police haven’t changed enough from those days.
            How do you intend to change it?

          • Amor Terra

            You are correct there. It has been unjust, violent, racist, and over-militarized from the get-go. Unfortunately, the rot here started at the top, and the rot-producing machinery is jealously guarded by those who wish to stay there. That’s why it cracks me up when people want to have the government “solve” the problems. The damn government created the problems, and perpetuates them with corruption, systemic injustice, and graft.

            I intend to change it first by not buying into the BS anymore. I start with the knowledge that if the government says something, it’s more likely than not either a lie or a distortion calculated to herd the masses into something that sounds like it’s good for people, but is really a way for the pols to repay the generosity of their corporate overlords or consolidate power for themselves. See Medicare Part D and Private Prisons for examples.

            Second, I participate in their craziness as little as possible. I quit being an attorney, and am now an organic farmer outside of a little town in the middle of nowhere, where we live simply, do much for ourselves, buy as little as possible, owe money to no-one, and try to be nice and helpful to people. A revolutionary and completely unAmerican way to live.

          • Amor Terra

            Did a little research on your “its the guns” argument. I should preface it by saying that I am not a big fan of guns. I am however a fan of logic. So…

            First, let me dissuade you from your assumption that guns are not needed for anything but killing people. I live on a farm. We have a very old .22 caliber rifle and one box (!) of ammunition. We would use it to scare predators away from our chickens and ducks. We would use it to put down a critically injured or ill animal without having to spend 100 smackers to call a vet out here. If we had to, we would use it to kill a predator who could not be discouraged in some other way. There are over 3 million people living on farms in the U.S.

            There are also about 15 million people in the U.S. who obtain licenses to allow them to hunt with firearms. I personally am vegetarian and will only kill an animal in extreme circumstances, but I cannot begrudge people who eat meat the ability to obtain clean meat that hasn’t been abused, shot up with chemicals, and inhumanely killed in the God-awful commercial meat industry in this country.

            Finally, there are estimated to be 20-40 million people who engage in target shooting as a recreational pursuit. Not my thing, but then again, neither is bowling.

            So there’s at least 38 million people who have a reason to have a gun other than killing people.

            Now, as for the rest…you need to quit drinking the Kool-Aide. There are estimated to be 357 million guns privately owned in the U.S.–more than one for every man, woman and child in this place. There are an average of around 12,000 gun homicides in the U.S. each year. That makes an annual average of ONE gun out of every 29,750 that is used to kill someone in a year. By way of contrast, there are about 253 million cars in the U.S. and about 32,000 auto fatalities. So one in about 7900 cars kills someone in a year, making cars nearly four times as likely to kill someone than guns. And Americans will jump in the car to drive a city block and never think a thing about it.

            Just a little perspective to counter the hysteria…

          • Ajax Smith

            There is a need for people in farms to have guns.
            Farmers in the UK have shotguns and rifles.

            There is not such a need for kids in cities to have easily hidden handguns And why would people need automatics ad machine guns?

            When it comes to cars, people need them to move about.
            And the rest of the world manages just fine without the 2nd amendment.

            Very few countries a complete ban on guns.
            But even fewer have as easy access to them as America. And no one has as many gun deaths as America.
            So maybe the best solution lies somewhere in between the extremes.
            You said people have accidents with cars. But people also need to pass tests to have a car. How about greater scrutiny on who can have a gun? and limits on the types?
            What I am saying is take the guns off the crazies, and ban the guns only a crazy would keep?

          • Amor Terra

            Well, we already have limits on the types. Automatic weapons are nearly universally illegal. Most states require permits/licenses to have handguns. Some require gun safety courses. Federal law requires background checks designed to weed out criminals and “crazies,” which, ironically, give incentive to people who could use some help psychologically to NOT get treatment so they wouldn’t lose the right to have a gun. And oddly, as it is with most things the U.S. government does, they do it badly. In fact, as you may have read, some years ago, it was discovered that the government was actually knowingly permitting illegal guns to be run into the U.S. from Mexico, some of which (surprise!) made it into the hands of criminals who killed a border patrol agent. So, I agree a middle ground could possibly be desirable. However, the government is the VERY LAST entity I would trust to decide that. Not only that, but banning guns instead of dealing with the people who do crimes with them and the culture of violence that breeds them makes about as much sense as outlawing pressure cookers because of the Tsarnaev brothers. It’s an appealing, yet facile, “easy answer,” which, like other easy answers, like prohibition of drugs, NEVER, ever works.

          • Ajax Smith

            When it comes to autos, nearly is not good enough.
            When it comes to handguns, most is not good enough.
            This is because America is one country.
            If something is legal in one state, in practice it is available in all states.
            When it comes to crazies not getting the medical care they need, it is the fault of America’s non-existent healthcare system.
            People without the insurance or who can’t afford deductibles wouldn’t be able to get help with or without a gun.
            America is the only developed country without Universal healthcare. It has a system that doesn’t work, and is only comparable to starving third world countries.
            America itself has a culture of violence. It gets in to more wars than all other countries combined. It allows soldiers to treat Non-combatants as free fire zones, and act with complete impunity. And when these soldiers come home, they often join the police force and spread their war zone mentality to other police officers.

            What would help is if America filled its police ranks with graduates instead of veterans. People who know the law instead of people who know how to kill.
            To do this America needs more graduates and fewer wars. One will pay for the other.

          • Amor Terra

            You have accurately identified many of the problems with the U.S., as I have. Which is exactly why I don’t believe for one single, solitary minute that banning guns would change the occurrence of violence (especially police abuse) in this country. And that’s where this conversation started.

          • Ajax Smith

            It would reduce the mass shootings by men who go crazy after a bad day at work or kids that go crazy after being bullied at school.
            America has a lot of them.
            We had them too before restrictions on guns.
            Now we don’t have them any more.
            Yes criminals get hold of guns.
            But they want to use them for crime and not mass shootings.
            And when guns are not legal, they buy guns from other dishonest people. Who sell them bad guns that no country would legally allow. that don’t fire straight and more than likely blow up and in the shooters own hands.
            The UK police call them spray and pray. Cause all criminals can do with them is shoot and pray a bullet hits something. Criminals don’t mind, they buy the guns to scare people and not to fire.
            The gun ban also worked in Australia.
            you will still have people going crazy after a bad day at work, but without guns a crazy will hit a few people, or stab someone. And not much more before they get over powered and arrested. Believe me, we have our fair share of crazies, even with universal healthcare that is free at the point of need.

          • Amor Terra

            You’re determined to blame an inanimate object for a human problem. All right. All evidence to the contrary, including that the areas with the strictest gun control in the U.S. have the most gun crime, and that, I believe just recently 84 people were mowed down, not with a gun, but with a truck (so there goes the, “it’ll stop mass violence” argument). I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

          • Ajax Smith

            What you don’t understand is the world is bigger than America. The rest of the world doesn’t have these mass shootings. America seems to have more shootings than war zones.

          • Ajax Smith

            When this inanimate object does what it is designed to when it kills someone.
            Other nations managed to solve this gun problem with bans or stricter controls. So I am not sure why you would think your country would be so different?
            bans worked in the UK and Australia, why wont they work in America?
            But still even with bans you can still have cops who arrest innocent people for being black, or even beat them to death.
            It isn’t a cure all. America does send officers to Israel for training, so when they come home, you will be their Palestinians.
            Maybe black Americans and Palestinians need to work together in their mutual rights?
            Israel uses American taxes to shoot Palestinians, and American Police officers get sent to Israel to be taught how to behave as brutally to Americans as Zionists behave towards Palestinians..

          • Amor Terra

            The U.S. is not other countries, as you have already noticed in some regards. What makes YOU think that banning (some types of, or all) guns would change anything? It is indisputable that as the rate of gun ownership has risen in the U.S. (for close to 25 years), the rate of gun violence has decreased. Does that tell you anything?

          • Ajax Smith

            American exceptionalism is used as an excuse to continue whatever policies unique to America that make America a horrible place to live in.
            There is no reason bans that worked in the rest of the world wont work in America.
            When legal access to firearms is restricted criminals buy illegal guns from other criminals.
            When a soldier was killed in the UK using a car and knives, one of the killers tried to use his illegally bought gun to shoot the police. It blow up in his hand.

            But I am not calling for the same gun laws here as you have there.
            That is not possible, the gun lobby is too powerful.
            But the government does need to do a better job of not allowing unstable people to have guns.
            George Zimmerman had a problems with the police and domestic violence. He was allowed to have a gun. People like that should have their guns taken away from him.
            e predictably killed someone, trayvon Martin. And not only was he allowed to keep guns after that, but given back the gun he used for the killing.
            What does it take for someone to been deemed unfit to have a gun?
            If there were stricter controls on who can have them, especially when it comes to easily hidden hand guns the police will have less of an excuse to kill a man with his hands in his pocket.
            I am not taking the blame away from the police for any of these killings.

            In My experience most pro-gun people tend to be pro-Police. Especially in cases where the police have killed an unarmed blackman.

          • Amor Terra

            I would have no problem at all with people convicted of any form of violence losing the right to legally have a gun (although, as we are well-aware, that has no bearing on whether they actually have them), since in U.S. law, people are expected to lose certain rights when they are convicted of crimes, and keeping guns out of the hands of people who have demonstrated trouble controlling violent impulses seems quite a sensible loss of rights to me.

            For someone who isn’t taking away blame from police for any killings, it seems odd to keep bringing up how it’s more understandable/excusable because people have a lot of guns in the U.S.

            It also seems odd that you keep failing to explain or account for why, as the gun ownership rate has risen, the rate of gun violence has decreased. I suppose that’s a difficult issue that you just don’t want to address. But that is the reason I don’t believe that further restriction of guns would solve the violence problem in the U.S.

            As I said, I’m not pro-gun. I’m pro-logic. And I’ve been alive long enough to have gone through hardly any restrictions on guns, increased restrictions on guns, decreased restrictions on guns, etc., with no demonstrable correlation to the level of violence. And logically, that means it isn’t going to work–no matter what has happened elsewhere. Just like if using a drug doesn’t result in less disease, and not using it doesn’t result in more.

            I don’t believe in restricting people’s rights(especially to give them over to a ludicrously incompetent and corrupt government) just for the sheer hell of it without some reason to believe it will accomplish a legitimate and important purpose. Besides which, a complete ban on handguns in this country would likely take a Constitutional amendment, and we couldn’t even muster one of those to say that women are entitled to the same rights as men. Given the very rabidly held opinions on both sides, I can’t imagine such a widespread agreement happening about guns.

            So maybe instead of grousing about a likely ineffective and certainly unlikely course of events, we should think about OTHER, more effective and more likely ways to address the problem. Sort of like if your goal is to fly, it makes more sense to get a pilot’s license than to squawk about the dearth of dragons to fly on.

            As for your experience, you can read my comments and see that now you’ve had a different one.

          • Amor Terra

            I also wonder why, on an article dealing with a cop unjustifiably killing an UNArMED man, you’re intent on arguing that the answer to life, the universe and everything is to remove guns from the CITIZENRY, instead of the cops. Seems illogical and emotionally driven to me.

          • Ajax Smith

            Fewer guns, the less likely a policeman is going to mistake a wallet for one.
            And the more likely it is that he will get prosecuted for saying he did.

          • Amor Terra

            Is that right? So how do you explain the cop not getting convicted for murdering the man with a 5 gallon bucket in his own garage. Buckets and guns don’t really resemble one another much. How about the recent case of the cop who tried to shoot a developmentally disabled man who the cops knew was holding a toy truck, missed and shot the completely unarmed social worker who was dealing with the young man? How about the cases of there being a video clearly showing that the person is unarmed and walking away?

        • Mike

          Cops need better training, they cannot always rely on “I feared for my life, and just wanted to go home safe and sound to my family”, then become a manager at Burger King. Cops need to be charged and jailed when they shoot innocent civilians, not just fired, so they just move on to another police department. Police also need to be personally liable, with malpractice insurance similar to Doctors, lawyers, if they can’t get insurance they can’t be a cop!

          • Angie MacGeil

            Go be a cop and tell us how easy it is to die every shift you went out on

          • Ayy Lmao

            Boo-hoo. That’s what they signed up for dumbass. If they can’t handle it they need to quit.

          • billdeserthills

            Being a cop isn’t even #30 on ‘the most dangerous jobs’ list

          • Mike

            That’s the risk you take if you want to be a cop, they still need better training, get another job, or learn not to be such a coward pussy. They need to be jailed when they commit a crime, and they need to be charged with double penalties for every crime they commit, as they should be held to a higher standard since they are in a position of authority over you. Cops are being exposed for the thug gang that they truly are, because now everybody has video on their phones and thankfully they use it. Not even the corrupt coward judges can rule against video evidence and take the cops side, like they always used to!!

          • Bill the eighth

            This post, even for a stupid ass like you, really takes the cake.

          • Ajax Smith

            Unstable people should not be allowed to be a cop.
            In America the recruitments and level of training cops get is miniscule compared to countries like the UK. In the UK the training is very long and at a very high standard. There are entrance exams and a long period where the cop works on probation and many do not pass the probationary period and stop being police officers.

            The UK police force is not perfect. There are a lot of things that can be improved. But it was a lot worse.
            Two issues that happened about 20 years ago resulted in rapid improvement.
            One was the Stephen Lawrence Murder. a Black boy was murdered by a bunch of racists and the police messed up the investigation due to bribery because one of the racists had a dad who was a rich drug dealer who led a big criminal gang that controlled the police.
            This resulted in a lot more over site and the how the police behaved improved a lot.
            Another thing was the creation of the IPC to investigate the police.
            Before this the police investigated themselves, so they could do pretty much what they wanted.
            I don’t pretend that the IPC is truly independent or effective, but it is a lot better than what we had before, which was pretty much nothing.

            When it comes to gun violence both by the police and against them. The US needs to look to see why other countries don’t suffer from this problem at this scale.
            And make some changes.
            This includes changes to the second amendment.

          • Mike

            The police problem in the USA and the militarization of police can be tied directly to the failed drug war started in the 1980’s. The knee jerk reactions by politicians gave police more power and money. This gave increased funding to police and allowed every little town to have a SWAT team. They made more mandatory sentences, which led to the USA having the highest incarceration rate in the free world. They brainwashed kids to narc on their parents, and to JUST SAY NO. The police instead of serving and protecting became an all out war against its citizens, especially in minority and poor neighborhoods. If you want to make enemies of citizens, just keep raiding their neighborhoods and trampling all over their 4th amendment rights, and give them mandatory sentences that all but guarantee they will spend long stretches in prison, where they don’t receive any rehabilitation or skills as the prisons are too crowded. Thankfully now most citizens have video on their phones and they are catching the police and all their illegal activities, and even a judge cannot deny video evidence, whereas before they always took the cops word.

          • Ajax Smith

            Whatever the reasons for these problems America has problems few other countries have. There is something seriously wrong with America that needs sorting out. It seems like you’re are living under occupation. That police are not your servants but your masters.
            I think patriotism is what stops these problems from being sorted out.
            If people are drilled in to worshiping their country and flag it is very hard for them to admit their country has problems that need fixing.
            We had a lot of problems with our police, after the police admitted they are institutionally racist, we fixed a lot of those problems. We still have issues with the police that need improving, but the improvements have not stopped.

          • Mike

            I agree with 90% of what you are saying, as after 9/11, our country got paranoid, and our own government passed the ironically named “Patriot Act” which took away many of our constitutional rights, like our right to privacy, right against illegal searches, created the useless TSA, that now harasses everyone at the airport and accomplishes nothing, the creation of the no-fly list, and many people used the argument that it was okay, for “if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide”, and these people were fine with the government spying on its own citizens. But many people like myself were outraged, and I love my country, because of the freedom and protection of those freedoms that our forefathers granted us. I would say our country is equally divided, with people like me fighting for our rights and fighting against our police and government, and then you have people that think we need more police, and more government control, as they think it will make them safer. Now that the biggest douche bag in the world is president of our country, it will only get worse, as trump wants to give the police and military more power, money and equipment, and continue the failed drug war, and make sentences even harsher, meanwhile to pay for all this support they are cutting vital programs, that help the elderly, poor and middle class while giving the corporations and rich huge tax breaks. I think all this will backfire and our citizens will awake and take back our country though violent and peaceful means

          • Ajax Smith

            To be honest I think minorities have always faced these problems in America. But no one cared. If a Muslim, or any darker skinned person mistaken for a Muslim were harassed no one would care. Now everyone faces it and people get upset.

            The issue that a lot of people find hard to understand is rules of engagement apply to everyone. If it is ok for a policeman to shoot a black man, it is just as ok to shoot anyone. And they will.
            If it is ok for TSA to harass people that look Muslim, they will do it to everyone. And that is what people are facing now.

          • Bill the eighth

            The only change to the second amendment s to repeal the NFA and gun control act of 1968. Sniveling coward sissy jellyfish that you are.

        • Tony Iocca

          IMO, does not even look as if he was going for a gun. It looked more like he was pulling a pin on a hand-grenade, but not reaching for a gun.

          • Ajax Smith

            Some get shot without even putting a hand in a pocket or even keeping their hands on their heads.
            Everyone gets scared. Including cops.
            Everyone makes mistakes including cops.
            But when it comes to citizens, cops can not expect them to know how to behave when stopped.
            Cops are trained on what to do when they stop someone, citizens are not trained in to how to behave when they meet a scared man with a gun and a badge.
            Cops need more training, the rules of engagement needs to be changed and so does the 2nd amendment. So Cops don’t feel so scared. Fear results in mistakes like this.

        • Angie MacGeil

          Don’t be stupid. Just don’t be stupid. Know where everything is and then comply with the officer. He’s armed, you’re not suppose to be. If you are, tell him so and where it is, keep your hands away. Don’t be stupid. Stupid people die 9 out 10. And no I don’t advocate being shot for a traffic stop.

          • Ayy Lmao

            Can’t wait until karma hits you like a bag of bricks.

          • The Cat’s Vagina

            Fuck you! Philando Castile did EVERYTHING you just recommended and he STILL got executed by a jumpy coward!

          • Ajax Smith

            That is the thing.
            In the rest of the world being what you call stupid doesn’t result in death.
            In the rest of the world I might agree with an officer or I might argue, but I wont end up dead.
            The rest of the world is more civilised than America.
            Your officers are poorly trained, you have a 2nd amendment which means anyone could be armed. So your officers are scared, so often shoot first and ask questions latter.
            You said “He’s armed, you’re not suppose to be.” m so you agree the 2nd amendment needs rethinking?

          • Bill the eighth

            Screw you, this is none of your business, you are stupid, you are a coward and you are arrogant. We DON”T CARE WHAT YOU MORONS DO IN YOUR COUNTRY!

          • Bill the eighth

            You really don’t know anything about this subject and it shows.

      • Angie MacGeil

        Talk to the dead in China, talk to those unarmed in Venezuela, talk to the 6 million Jews buried in mass graves in Germany. Their weapons were confiscated and the government killed then afterwards. Hell the US took guns from 290 Indians, then had the Calvary wipe them out. Rewards for not fighting to the last. Read your history books before spouting BS

      • lawmanjed

        Please don’t insult parrots. They have more sense than that.

        • Amor Terra

          Sorry

          • lawmanjed

            You’re forgiven.

      • Ajax Smith

        So what do you think?
        Would this man be alive if he practiced the 2nd amendment, and had a gun instead of a cop just imagining one?

        • Bill the eighth

          Wow, more stupidity from the terminally stupid poster.

        • Amor Terra

          That isn’t the point. If he’d had a gun, and been willing to use it (very unlikely, given that the “opponent” was a cop), he’d either be dead or awaiting trial for capital murder. But this is a red herring, because I didn’t argue that guns, or the right to possess or carry them, had ANYTHING to do with this situation–YOU DID. What I said was that American cops are cowards who over-hype and over-estimate the likelihood that they’ll be killed in the line of duty so that they have an excuse for being jackbooted thugs who abuse the very people who pay their salaries.

    • Mike

      Our founding fathers granted us with the 2nd amendment as protection against our own government, as they knew that all governments get corrupted by money, greed and someday citizens would have to overthrow our own government by force, just like we did to the British.

      • Ajax Smith

        Your government is corrupt, and your guns have not protected you from that corruption, because the government will always have more guns than you.
        And you don’t have the tanks, rockets and fighter planes it takes to defeat the ones your government has.

        It is better for you to expose and deal with that corruption then pretend your gun will ever scare the government in to giving you anything for all the taxes they take from you.

        • Mike

          If the US governments power is so superior and cannot be outsmarted by conventional weapons such as rifles and handguns, then why are we still fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and against ISIS who are fighting with the same weapons that current US citizens have available? Soldiers all have families and no soldier wants to kill US citizens. Look back at the American Revolution, the colonists were outnumbered & outgunned, yet thankfully for us, they won and defeated the British!

          I think you have to approach this fight from both sides, exposing corruption, but when that does not work you must start revolting. Guerrilla warfare will defeat even the strongest armies, as they just blend back into the population, and when the stronger army tries to defeat them they end up killing innocent civilians, which only makes the Guerrilla movement even stronger, as the citizens will hate the traditional armed forces that killed their innocent family members! Taking guns away from the citizens just make them sitting ducks for power hungry governments!

          • Ajax Smith

            The reason why America can never win in Iraq and Afghanistan is because there is nothing to win. If people don’t want to be ruled by a foreign country they fight. And they don’t stop fighting until the foreign government leaves.

            You already are ruled by the power hungry. They already have all they want from you. When they need money they tax you. If you don’t pay your taxes you are arrested. The government will take all you own and sell it. And your guns have not stopped any of this. You have nothing left for your guns to protect.

            Yes, most countries have taxes. But the rest of the world gets something for what they pay in taxes. Other governments provide their citizens with free healthcare, free university education. Unemployment, disability and housing that Americans can only dream of. While you get taxed, and the money goes to a corrupt government and your guns can’t stop it.

            A lot of Americans who believe they need guns to protect themselves from the government also tend to believe that 911 was an inside Job. If that is what you believe, your guns didn’t manage to stop the government doing 911? And the government has had nothing to fear from your guns since 911?

          • Mike

            That is not the point I was trying to make, but that Guerrilla warfare by citizens that believe in the cause will defeat any government, unless the government want to kill all it’s citizens, that would be the only way to stop them. Look at North Korea or other dictatorships, they have all the power, but no respect and they eventually get overthrown either internally or externally. Those people are ruled by their own government, yet continue to fight, risking their lives. Without guns you are just a sitting duck, any government official can barge into your house and take everything including your life, but with a gun, you can at least take out a few, so you don’t lose your life without taking a few of theirs with you. If the government is corrupt, violence is the only thing they will understand. While I don’t believe 9/11 was an inside job, I do believe our government had some knowledge of what was going to happen. Also while I don’t believe violence alone will fix our government, all those government officials also become targets of the unhappy citizens, and words alone won’t make them change, but threatening their lives, usually makes them at least listen!

          • Ajax Smith

            Your government already barges and takes everything including your life if they want.
            If you want to look to abuses of power, state oppression and excessive imprisonment you don’t need to look to North Korea or dictatorships. America has the biggest prison population of any country including dictatorships, including North Korea.
            People go to prison for such small issues in America that won’t even be considered crimes in other countries.
            Guns make no difference.
            Because you have guns, they send SWAT.
            If guns protected your freedom, you would be freest country, because you have the most guns.
            But instead you have the highest prison population.
            Doesn’t that mean you are the least free?

          • Mike

            Yes but we also have the right to defend our house and life with deadly force. So if a criminal breaks into your house or in my state Colorado even on your property, you have the right to use deadly force if you fear for your safety, and that includes against cops. We have the biggest prison population because our government still wastes our taxes on the drug war, the same war that militarized the cops and let every little town have a SWAT team outfitted with military gear. Mandatory Minimum sentences filled up the prisons, as well as our government charging crack crimes at 10 times the sentence as powdered cocaine charges and the 3 strikes law that put people in prison for life after 3 felonies. Thankfully I live in a state that legalized all marijuana as the voters are tired of seeing peoples lives ruined for enjoying marijuana. You can argue with me all you want, but when the shit hits the fan, which it will in time as humans will ruin this planet by overpopulation and pollution, I will be able to defend my family and property against all intruders or take as many with me as possible! Citizen that countries don’t allow gun ownership, will be easy pickings!

          • Bill the eighth

            You sure don’t know much about anything do you? You come across as a complete idiot.

        • Mike

          Our colonists defeated the British who had much more firepower and experience, just like the terrorists can defeat our US forces today in Iraq and Afghanistan by using Guerrilla warfare, fighting here and there, usually by surprise attack, then just blending back in with all the citizens. You don’t need heavy weapons to defeat a greater opponent, it has been proven time and time again throughout history. Are armed forces are made up of US citizens, and they are not going to wage war on innocent civilians who are their Moms, Dads, brothers and sisters. If you take the guns away then we are all just sitting ducks. I think you have to always have riots, civil disobedience and violence as an option, in order to make non-violent methods more effective, otherwise they will be ignored!

    • Lord Humungus

      That was spectacularly retarded.

      • Ajax Smith

        An unarmed man was killed because a cop thought he had a gun.
        Fewer guns means fewer scared cops that see guns where there are none to be seen.

        • Bill the eighth

          Yes, you are not only spectacularly retarded, you are also a pansy, a sissy, a yellow bellied coward and a monster.

    • Angie MacGeil

      Look at this country, they’ll let anyone drive a weapon of 2 tons. You have to just as responsible for a car as you do a gun

      • Justsomeguy151

        A weapon??? a TRUCK, YOU CUNT!!!!

      • Ajax Smith

        You don’t get killed because the police think you have a care?
        And in America your right to have a car is not protected by the constitution.
        You need to pass exams to drive but you don’t need to to have a gun.

        And cars have are designed for transportation and not killing.
        Guns are designed to kill.
        So if you have one, you are just one bad day at work away from killing everyone.
        Cops know this, and they get scared. So the next time you cop sees you, he just might feel scared enough to kill you.

        The rest of the world manages perfectly well without the 2nd amendment.
        Don’t you think you can?

        • Bill the eighth

          Hey moron, quit projecting your psychosis on the rest of us! I have owned several guns for decades, had hundreds of bad days at work and never even THOUGHT ABOUT SHOOTING ANYONE. Do you even have a brain?

  • Amor Terra

    They’re ridiculous cowards; that’s the trouble. In the U.S. in 2016, around 70 (!) cops out of about 800,000 total sworn officers were killed by assaults, shootings, or stabbings (i.e. not traffic accidents, heart attacks, etc.). For the mathematically impaired, that means that in a year, .0875 cops PER 1000 working officers, or 1 out of approximately 12,000 officers, died at the hands of another. By contrast, nationwide, in one year, a person has a 1 in about 9,700 chance of dying in a car accident. So, here’s the question: When you get into the car every day, do you get scared spitless you’re going to die in a crash? I don’t. I don’t know anyone who does. Driving is routine. We don’t worry incessantly about the likelihood we “won’t make it home to our families” every time we drive or ride in a car. And we have a higher chance of dying that way than cops do of being killed at work. So if WE aren’t scared, why are they? COWARDS.

    • Mark Hayward

      I would say the odds for a Cop getting killed in Violent Black Democrat City run areas would be much higher and Cops who work in more white and more affluent neighborhoods would be much lower..

      • KeemyCooLD

        Yet more white people kill police officers

      • Amor Terra

        Yeah. Well, you would be wrong. The top three states for the rate of police fatalities per population are South Dakota, Montana, and Alabama.

      • Ayy Lmao

        Lmao what an inbred piece of trailer trash. Go fuck your sister or something lol. This racist dollop of crusty mayonnaise wants to suck on Tramp’s little cheetoh puff.

        • Amor Terra

          Does it occur to you that refuting idiots with facts is much more effective than childish namecalling? See, in this case, the dude was just 100% wrong, and it took about 35 seconds on Google to find the info that proves it.

    • Angie MacGeil

      You know what happens when you get shot, coward! Your dead and you don’t go home, hug your kid or kiss your wife. Lie to see you take the live or die course. I bet 3 out of 3 your dead

      • Tracy Bingaman

        NOTHING on Earth worse than cop apologists. You are a piece of shit.

      • Gregory Cushing

        So, they have zero empathy? Murdered by scared guy with badge so, it becomes moral?

      • The Cat’s Vagina
      • Jason Trichlin

        The poor inocent guy you just shot and his family feel the same numbnuts. Thats why we call them cowards. Are cops the only ones with wives and kids. You just proved a point, you cops are all mad and your armed and dangerous, life and death war with reality is the biggest danger anyone can face when they venture onto the streets.

      • Justsomeguy151

        STFU, you pig cocksucking cunt!!! Murdering pigs deserve to die for treason against their oaths and the US!!! Stupid brainwashed hypocritical whore!!!

      • Amor Terra

        Angie, Dear. My job is, according to statistics, MORE dangerous than a police officer’s. I don’t get to beat, taser, or shoot people because I get scared I might not make it through the workday. A police officer is, according to the data, FAR more likely to die driving to or from work in a car accident than s/he is to be killed in the line of duty. Yet, none of us drivers get to beat, taser, or shoot someone driving badly, even if we’re the odd person who even thinks twice about driving or riding in a motor vehicle being dangerous. Finally, my dad was a cop for about 30 years, in a suburb of a large city. He was a lot of things, including a racist, rather intolerant, quite judgmental, a control freak, and a bit paranoid. Yet, he never so much as drew his gun in the line of duty, much less shot or killed anyone. I wonder–was my dear yet flawed old man just an extraordinary hero? Or are today’s cops just incredible, pansy ass cowards and psychopathic thugs? I’m voting for the latter.

        And you’re DESPICABLE. This was an innocent, unarmed man. Here’s hoping that you have a tail-light out sometime soon, and that you run across one of these hopped up nutcases with badges, who shoot first and ask about guilt or innocence later.

        And BTW, unless you are some paid troll sitting in a bullpen in some foreign country, you really need to take some remedial English courses, because you are nearly functionally illiterate. Buh bye now.

    • Everton Brown

      Mr. Mathematician I would have been really impressed with the summarization of cops killed if it was
      calculate by the total amount of daily logged interaction of the 800,000 sworn cops with the public throughput 2016.

      • Amor Terra

        It was calculated by taking the deaths, as compiled by the Officer Down Memorial Page vs. total officers, which is how you would get the odds that a cop will be killed in a full year of working as an officer. I’m not at all sure what you think would be served by comparing to “daily logged interaction,” whatever the hell that means.

        • Everton Brown

          If each officer had 10 job related calls, stops (interaction) with the public in a five day work week it would calculate to 416 million duty related interaction with the public. Being a cop is a choice and the 70 that died is unfortunate but the police death compared to the daily duty interaction with the public goes with the choice of profession.

          • Amor Terra

            I see what you mean now. You are right that the odds of a cop being killed on any given call is ASTRONOMICAL. And, yes, it is a choice. One that is a whole lot less likely to result in their deaths than my occupation (farmer) is to result in mine. But I don’t get to go around pounding the shit out of people if I get scared.

  • Abz B Zbas

    Wow. I counted 4 shots AFTER the guy hit the ground. It even sounds like the cop stopped for a second, then proceeded with another shot for good measure. If his intention was to stop the threat he wouldn’t have fired so many rounds. If his intention was to kill, he did the right thing.

  • Thorsten Stier

    Murder,…he could have just pointed the gun at him, calling him to stop…before shooting …but he immediately shot the moment that grandpa reach into his pocket….what a fucking coward that cop is….a danger to society….

    • Angie MacGeil

      Did you read the part where it says “Geers must have noticed an officer was following him, so he decided to pull over, as nearly all driver’s education courses teach us to do.” Sorry a cop following me is not my right to pull over. NOW! If his lights are blaring and I pick up a crackle of a bull horn, then I’m in deep. Otherwise there is no law that says you have to pull over for every cop car that follows you. I’d never get work or get home. I work in the Harbor, I got city cops, Harbor Hogs and Security in black and whites. Until the lights go on, they are just another car. What DMV is this idiot from

      • Thorsten Stier

        And what does his behavior BEFORE he stops, BEFORE the cop got out of his car has anything to do with the fact that that trigger happy arse had killed an unarmed grandpa and could have avoid it if he would not be such an ,for sure untrained and therefore incredible coward?

        • Angie MacGeil

          Pulling over as he did is suspicious, opening the door is suspicious, getting out is suspicious, then fumbling is suspicious. And suspicious activity could mean the difference between life and death. Yours, not his. Everybody tries to say ‘what if’. Change that to ‘what if his intention was to kill the cop’? Sure we can look now and still just assume. You want to trust everyone. But those who are dead, trusted.

          • Thorsten Stier

            “Pulling over as he did is suspicious, opening the door is suspicious, getting out is suspicious, then fumbling is suspicious.”
            Read that carefully and ask yourself what kind of society do you life in where all of that is suspicious and could cost you your life – ridiculous….
            These are actions you could perform all over the world – but only in the US it could cost you your life – and for sure, that has nothing to do with the amount of guns sold……

          • billdeserthills

            He was unarmed, so how could he possibly be thinking about killing a cop, who needs to be killed very badly?

          • Bill the eighth

            You are delusional.

      • Justsomeguy151

        STFU, YOU TREASONOUS WHORE!!! KILL YOURSELF ALREADY!!!

        • Angie MacGeil

          You have a problem with people don’t you?

          • Bill the eighth

            Only extremely stupid ones, like you.

      • lawmanjed

        You said “Sorry a cop following me is not my RIGHT to PULL OVER”?? Are you serious? Do I have to get a cop’s advanced permission (or maybe your permission) to have the “right” to pull over? How about my changing lanes, turning left or right, speeding up, slowing down, stopping? Is everything binary with you? Either I MUST pull over or I CANNOT? Do I not have the “right” to pull over (or operate my vehicle however and whenever I choose) as long as I am not violating any traffic laws? Maybe I need to have a cop present in my vehicle at all times in order to have the “right” to do anything! Please tell me the exact traffic law or laws that this driver violated before this cop approached him.

        • Angie MacGeil

          He drove behind him, he assumed so pulled over. Suspicious actions. If every cop car that got behind you might be on patrol and just that. Until the lightes go on, I’m on my way

          • Bill the eighth

            What part of:

            “From the just released dash camera footage of Bell County, Texas Sheriff’s Cpl. Shane Geers, one can see the officer was in pursuit of a small dark colored SUV, sirens blazing.”

            Do you not understand?

  • Sgt. Killgood

    May this cop rot in hell here on earth .

    • Angie MacGeil

      If he did fuck up, he knows it and if he any kind of decent human, it’ll eat at him

      • The Cat’s Vagina

        And if he’s not, then Free Murder thanks to boot-licking cunts like you!

  • raoulhubris

    Thats how Texas handles its Veteran problem.

  • Lobo06

    cowards, damn evil cowards.

  • musicancwr

    The person who was stopped in this video should probably have stayed in his vehicle until the Sheriffs officer came to the window and stated the violation and asked for his license. That being said, law enforcement officers, by taking the oath to protect and defend, not only have a duty to protect the citizens, but also to defend them as well. They also should know and accept the fact that by taking this job, their lives are on the line and shooting first and asking questions at a later date should never be accepted. In this instance, the officers, not just this specific officer, should take cover and allow the individual to reseat himself in the car at the officers discretion, or allow the person to reach for an object, also at their discretion. Shooting first should not be the first choice. You take the oath and you also accept that risk to be a police officer. The officers are also afforded the protection of wearing body armor and facing people who do not have that protection.

    You can tell this officer is upset at killing this man. He will have to live the rest of his life knowing he shot a man, and that will weigh heavily on his conscience. I would not brand all as cowards, I would say they used poor judgement and should be held accountable for that judgement. If a citizen shoots someone either by accident or on purpose, they are held accountable. This should also be for law enforcement, and especially so since they are trained, although their training and routine may deviate from common sense. Common sense in this instance should had dictated the officer seek shelter and then instruct the man to place his hands on his vehicle and then proceed to approach rather that drawing a weapon and shooting at a “suspected” individual. If you need other officers to respond, you should not respond in force with the intent of bringing more firepower to bear, it should be for safety of both the suspect and the police.

    • Bill the eighth

      Where have you been? According to the Supreme Court of the United States, cops have no duty to protect or defend ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • A1701

    NO FUCKING WAY WAS THAT SHOOTING JUSTIFIED!!!!
    They ought to train their fucking idiot cops on something more than a fucking Playstation!!! Life is not a Videogame – you fucking kill someone they don’t come back to life – AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TO FUCKING ANSWER FOR THAT!!!!

    • Angie MacGeil

      Don’t see you applying. Go down to your Sheriff’s office and see if they have that gunner’s game where you get 3 scenarios to survive and ask to go thru. Wanna bet by the 3rd try your pulling off more than one round. Yeah! it’s a cap gun, but it’s your life

      • Ayy Lmao

        You’re the biggest coward I’ve seen yet! You honestly sound like a murderer. You should probably be behind bars with the rest of the terrorists!

        • Angie MacGeil

          I want to stay alive, even with people from Law enforcement, because they are a crap shoot. I want to cooperate because others have made it so scary for quite sometime. Bullets hurt and the damage they can do may be serious and forever. Now be a terrorist, I’ll fight back, but cops have the law. But if I cooperate I have a better chance of coming back alive. You can fight them all you want, but odds are if I am courteous to them, I will continue to live. And that’s the big reward

      • billdeserthills

        I can see you are the head copsucker pos

        • Angie MacGeil

          Not if I don’t have to, just smile and talk about my mother expecting me and my sick Father.

      • A1701

        well for a start I don’t live in Yankland (thank fuck) so we don’t really have sheriff offices here….. and our police officers are a wee bit more intelligent and less like trigger happy Wankers

        • Angie MacGeil

          Check with your locals and see if they have something like that. They may reserve that for people who only have the balls to apply. Otherwise you don’t need ti know their secrets

          • A1701

            You’re really not worth my time anymore

      • Bill the eighth

        I have to ask you Angie, do have to work at being this stupid or does it come naturally?

  • Phillip Murray

    Isn’t there some way to weed out the cowards? Surely they can find enough people to be cops without resorting to hiring these sniveling sissies. If you’re that afraid of what is going to happen to you as a cop, quit and find another job.

    • Tony Iocca

      Most cowards do not know they are cowards until the situation. Those kind of fears are worked out by things like confidence through experience…

    • Angie MacGeil

      Hey weed out the idiots on here and you’ll know how easy it is. Does your driver ED ever tell you to pull over for a police car behind you? Yeah, without the lights. This guys did. How stupid is that? Would have made me suspicious, then acting like he doesn’t know where he put his wallet? Maybe his other head fell off too. Shooters have done this plenty of times. You get on the PA and instruct him to find his wallet or stretch out behind the car. You have 15 seconds. No excuses!

      • billdeserthills

        ..

      • lawmanjed

        So pulling over to let a cop (or anyone) pass is stupid or illegal?? I often pull over to let someone pass me if it is safe to do so. And as someone else asked, why was his merely pulling over “suspicious” to the cop. And a bigger question: if everyone and everything is so suspicious and so dangerous to most cops, why do they continue to pester and harass us for such minor or non-existent infractions? An even bigger question? Why do we need them at all??

        • Bill the eighth

          True, people pull over all the time to let others pass them. Maybe they are going slow, looking for an address, maybe they are fighting with the spouse and not paying attention, maybe the person is following them too close for comfort. There are a thousand reasons to pull over and let someone pass and not a single one of them is suspicious. However, in this case, the pig WAS lighting him up, demanding he pull over.

  • antony chavez

    Society does not pay officers to shoot out of fear or anger,…… Charge the officer accordingly,…!

    • Angie MacGeil

      then why they all say, I feared for my life, must be their out

  • Tony Iocca

    Police work is not for the deceitful, faint at heart, feeble-minded, or the limp of wrist. Everyday is an experience that molds our Police force into the future and what it is today. Some time ago the Police procedures put them at a disadvantage in some dangerous situations when confronting criminals. Today’s Police procedures put the General Public at risk with drawn and or trained weapons at traffic stops. It only takes a twitch to unintentionally discharge a bullet into someone they’re discerned with.
    The Police have taken on the role of “Intimidater/Executioner”. The General Public is considered as Public Enemy #1. Suspicions and accusations formed by speculation and conjecture without evidence or justification are damaging to the reputations of both the accuser and accused. Many official Police reports are exaggerations that lose touch with reality, recognized as INJUSTICE by reasonable persons. It does not take a Court of Law to realize a breach in the public trust is occurring from incompetent procedures. It is not in the best interests of public relations for the Police to practice the art of deception…
    Is it better that hundreds of innocent people be shot and separated from their families, rather than one Law Enforcement Officer?

    • Tony Iocca

      IMO, does not even look as if he was going for a gun. It looked more like he was pulling a pin on a hand-grenade, but not reaching for a gun.

  • Zackknowitall

    Who say she the government is the only one allowed to hold court or find anyone guilty? What if ppl started holding their own court? Would cops act differently?

    • Justsomeguy151

      They’d rightfully be hanging from every available branch or lamppost.

      • Zackknowitall

        Maybe that is the way it should be and would be if a piggy wrongs my family.

    • Angie MacGeil

      How many would be guilty just because? How many innocent cops, good cops would be easier targets and therefore you’re looking for excuses

      • Zackknowitall

        First off dont accuse me of shit. Secondly it was a question not a statement. I want to know if the families of murder victims held court against the cops if they would act differently.

  • Angie MacGeil

    He should have remained in the car with his hands on the wheel at 11 and 1 for the cop to see him. You never get out, why? Never open the door, all suspicious moves to any cop. Take the course meat head, bet your a dead cop 3 out 3. Country singers will tell you, black men will tell you. But you punk ass girly men have to do it your way and end up dead and them critique the cop’s actions afterwards. And unless you see the lights, keep going, don’t volunteer. You might be in the right and don’t know it but the lights are an indicator, dummy

  • Karen Dennie Huffaker

    Thank you for posting an article that looks at both sides of the issue. There are definitely those cops that are out there purposely abusing their power and killing people because they can. But there are also a lot of those who have been trained to see everything as a threat and are just fearful for their lives. The new training and the police policy of only taking responsibility if it’s clear that there was not even the hint of a possibility that the “suspect” was at all a threat (sometimes not even then), makes me worry for our future. Something needs to change, but somehow I don’t think that’s in the interests of the powers that be.

  • arrowman2

    this Alex Salazar lies. Cops are taught just the opposite of this. it’s natural to be edgy, Cops are taught to try to resist over reacting. I remember being suckered in to shooting during training right after I was told not to. easier said than done, but I learned.

  • Amor Terra

    Soon, if they don’t change their ways, they may just start finding that the general public really CAN be as dangerous as they’ve been treating us. I’ll guarantee when that happens that 800,000 cops will be no match for 300+ million pissed off civilians.

    • Tony Iocca

      Today’s Police procedures are reminiscent to the wild west. Apparently Officer Geers has been vindicated of Murder or even poor judgement. The killing of Lyle Blanchard has been deemed inevitable, similarly to what was said back in the Wild West. “If so-and-so did not shoot him, someone else would have.” That was excepted in the Wild West when killing a young hot head that was armed and constantly threatening others.
      Mr. Blanchard’s was executed for his history of running off at the mouth while drunk. Officer Geers decided to lean on Mr. Blanchard resulting in killing him in cold blood. Officer Geers knows what he did and I would hope he is remorseful. With all these recorded videos as evidence that shows indeed killer cops are at-large menacing the public…

  • John Long

    The video is PRIVATE

  • Dennis P Ginther

    The Cops have declared war on it’s own citizens by treating us as an opposing army. When 99 % of us are civilians. We are not at war with Police. But it has gotten to a point where citizens are more afraid of police then we are of criminals. That is a sad situation.

  • Merle Raymond Noll

    They deleted the video.Fucking Nazis

  • Arth

    Wonder why the filth took thhe video down; as if I can’t guess!