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Oath Keepers Warn Feds Not to “Waco” Oregon Occupation — or there Will be Civil War

Washinton, D.C. – A “critical warning” has been issued by Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes “to the entire U.S. military, but especially to the military Special Operations Command and community” with it secondarily being “addressed to federal LEOs, and especially to their SRTs, such as the FBI HRT (many of whom are former military special operations).”

The “warning” indicates that the escalation the situation in Oregon from a simple occupation of an empty federal building by ranchers and U.S. veterans to a use of force situation could risk pushing the nation into another civil war.

“If you do it ‘Waco’ style here, you risk pushing this nation over the edge into a Civil War, because there are “no more free Wacos,” Rhodes wrote.

Making a plea directly to the military and federal operators that would carry out such an order, the Oath Keepers make clear that this situation “must be handled as a normal, non-crisis, law enforcement matter, and preferably by Oregon Sheriffs (who are organized as the Oregon State Sheriffs’ Association), and their deputies, together with the local community there in Harney County, OR.”

Rhodes notes in his “Warning” letter :

This is not an emergency situation, unless you turn it into one. Ammon Bundy’s occupation of an empty building is essentially the same as civil-disobedience sit-ins that the political left has engaged in for decades, from anti-war and civil rights protesters in the 60s and 70s (including a nineteen month occupation of Alcatraz by American Indian activists), to Occupy Wall Street Movement and Black Lives Matter activists today.

These ranchers, cowboys, and veterans just happen to be armed, as westerners tend to be. Get over it. There are no hostages, there are no close-by neighbors at risk, there is nobody there except those who want to be.

Rhodes notes that the Obama administration previously considered using military force against the Bundy Ranch protesters under Directive No. 3025.18, “Defense Support of Civil Authorities,” as reported by the Washington Times. He also indicates that intelligence received by the organization suggests that forces within the Obama administration are considering using military assets and military rules of engagement to conduct a dynamic raid

“Despite that reality of there being no emergency here, we have very good reason to believe that ideologue leftist bureaucrats within the Obama Administration – such as within the D.O.J., and their politically minded “perfumed prince” puppets within the D.O.D. – are pressuring you to prepare to use military assets and military rules of engagement to conduct a dynamic raid. We are an organization of current serving and retired military, police, fire-fighters and other first responders, and we have contacts at every major military installation in America (including Joint Base Lewis-McChord), and at the Pentagon. We hear things. We’ll just leave it at that,” Rhodes wrote.

The Oath Keepers claim to be a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” according to the organizations website.

The current situation has the potential to devolve into a much wider and larger violent conflict if the Americans occupying the federal building are killed or injured in a violent government sponsored operation to reclaim the facility. Even if you disagree with the Oregon protesters, the potentially highly combustible situation calls for diplomacy and principled discussion, not violent actions against fellow Americans.


Jay Syrmopoulos is a political analyst, free thinker, researcher, and ardent opponent of authoritarianism. He is currently a graduate student at University of Denver pursuing a masters in Global Affairs. Jay’s work has been published on Ben Swann’s Truth in Media, Truth-Out, Raw Story, MintPress News, as well as many other sites. You can follow him on Twitter @sirmetropolis, on Facebook at Sir Metropolis and now on tsu.

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  • there is always a peaceful solution. Unfort. this one consists of cutting off trips to the 7-11

  • there is always a peaceful solution. Unfort. this one consists of cutting off trips to the 7-11

  • well i guess the next time sheriff David Clarke is on Fox may be they will ask him about this..He is in oathkeepers

  • well i guess the next time sheriff David Clarke is on Fox may be they will ask him about this..He is in oathkeepers

  • No

  • Letting this go on for so long gives people a clear message – you can occupy govt property if you have guns. I won’t be surprised if this inspires some group to occupy an IRS building with guns.

    • If you are white males with guns. White is the answer…

    • Lmao. So much ignorance in this post. Try doing some research. Bet you couldn’t tell me when this all started between the hammonds and the BLM now can you?

    • Well as it turns out the IRS is stocked up with weapons and plenty ammo.

  • Letting this go on for so long gives people a clear message – you can occupy govt property if you have guns. I won’t be surprised if this inspires some group to occupy an IRS building with guns.

    • If you are white males with guns. White is the answer…

    • Lmao. So much ignorance in this post. Try doing some research. Bet you couldn’t tell me when this all started between the hammonds and the BLM now can you?

    • Well as it turns out the IRS is stocked up with weapons and plenty ammo.

  • Leave

  • Just another strain of white religious fanatics and fascists…

    • Yep, because the federal government stealing land and using terroristic tactics somehow equates to people being fanatics for standing up for themselves.

    • Matt Jackson the land is not stolen, except from the Indians, it’s publicly owned for common good.

    • ^ Hahaha – for the common good – what a dumbshit.

  • Just another strain of white religious fanatics and fascists…

    • Yep, because the federal government stealing land and using terroristic tactics somehow equates to people being fanatics for standing up for themselves.

    • Matt Jackson the land is not stolen, except from the Indians, it’s publicly owned for common good.

    • ^ Hahaha – for the common good – what a dumbshit.

  • GOVERNMENT NAZI’S FIGHTING GOVERNMENT JEW’S

  • GOVERNMENT NAZI’S FIGHTING GOVERNMENT JEW’S

  • Bring in the Feds, demand they put down their weapons peacefully, And if they refuse, proceed to arrest them. The first instant an arresting officer feels his life is threatened, kill the threat. And kill as many threats as still appear threatening. Then send wreckers out for their vehicles and put them up for public auction to help pay for the damages done here. If there are kids, send them away to reform schools until they are 18, then try them as adults and put them away for the remainder of their lives. And castrate the males, neuter the females, man, woman and child so there’s no danger of any DNA from any of them being left in the gene pool. Then hunt down their parents and any grandkids they’ve got and do the same to them. Round up everyone who supports them and put them in FEMA concentration camps if such things exist. Then burn down the camps.

    There needn’t be a Waco in Oregon if they lay down their weapons and surrender to law enforcement officers. Otherwise, let’s have a Waco sooner rather than later.

    • F&%K OFF!!!

    • Lol get fucked m8.

    • Seriously, you sound like Hitler.

    • I sound like a man who delt with bastards such as this one on one during the sagebrush rebellion and got a belly full of their whining welfare rancher bullshit and self-appointed protectors of whatever they thought they could steal.

    • You are suggesting that millions of people should be murdered for resisting authority. I guess trump can count on your vote?

    • Yeah, no. That would single handedly kickstart a civil war.

    • Go die of a heart attack old fuck. Your kind is outdated in this society.

    • You for real?….Fukwit

    • You are an advocate for murder and death, you are an empty shell of a person, without any humanity.
      I feel sorry for your soul.

    • David McCormick I’m suggesting these people who are holding a federal property by threat of violence be removed by whatever means necessary. Trump won’t be getting my vote. Bernie Sanders will.

    • These welfare whining products of 10 generations of first cousins inbreeding are cowards. They won’t be starting any civil war

    • Daniel Vieyra Thanks.

    • Doyce… derp.

    • Typical american response…shoot them, kill them and kill their kids….war? What is it good for?…Im sure you know the rest…quit being a predictable yank and actually understand these people are doing what many more americans should do, and thats stand up against your oppressive govt…dude you sound like you have issues, maybe go deal with them another way before hastily making death decisions huh

    • You New Zealanders have always been cowards Sean Jones

    • spoken like a true socialist

    • Sean Jones How would you handle the situation?

    • I don’t know what you “sound” like… as text is monotone but.. you should “feel” like a dumbass, sir.

    • I wouldnt handle it, Im on their side…I just said more americans need to do the same, rich calling me a coward when you want to take kids lives…The average american are the cowards, to scared to stand up against your corrupt and abusive govt, yet no problems sending in the feds to shoot up a bunch of revolutionary fighters…

    • Here’s Ammon’s dad

    • You are suggesting that people who aren’t even involved (grandkids and relatives, people who support resistance) be neutered and murdered. I’m pretty sure that’s what Hitler did to the Jews. You are a filthy Nazi scumbag.

    • Fuck it right lol

    • doyce…obviously you are not aware they have a 99 year lease on that land that the blm took away on a mistake and now your blm is in a fix because of that…you sir are trash

    • Joe Bradley You are mistaken, or you are a liar.

    • I mean lets just ignore the fact all together that according to the constitution the federal govt owns the land illegally…

    • Ryan Zielinski The supreme court determines Constitutionality, Ryan. Not a bunch of high school dropout gunbunnies.

    • oh i get it…he is a simple service worker of the blm…nevermind

    • What law are they accused of breaking?

    • Joe Bradley One or the other. Misinformed or a conscious and deliberate liar.

    • Doyce is just acting like a douche bag to stir shit up–

    • ok how about just a simple service worker robert redford wannabee?

    • Doyce you fail to understand the concept of checks and balances…

    • I’m sorry, but that property belongs to the public trust. The feds don’t own it, they manage it for the people who own it, being you and I.

    • This guy is the reason why I am no longer a “liberal”. He sounds like a right wing extremist but says he’s voting for sanders. Fucking lunatic.

    • And as a matter of fact it would be the constitution that determines constitutionality, not the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court isn’t and wasn’t even meant to interpret the constitution as the Supreme Court represents the judicial branch of our govt (talking about checks and balances here since I know you’re too stupid to follow).

    • The purpose of the constitution was to limit the power of the govt. so what sense does it make to have the govt interpret the way it limits itself?

    • The only way a civilized society can exist is through due process. These welfare ranchers have taken it upon themselves to destroy due process and attempt to extort concessions by point of the gun.

    • Doyce, you are the very reason good men need firearms.
      Imagine, someone like this male, in power.
      I shudder at the thought.

    • there is no civlized society in the US.only pockets of civilized people living undergound hiding their cilvility for fear of persicution.

    • Daniel Vieyra I’ve no problem with firearms

    • Jeremiah Gillanders if true they need to keep their heads down and not wave firearms around threatening public owned treasure and committing extortion

    • Jeremiah Gillanders if true they need to keep their heads down and not wave firearms around threatening public owned treasure and committing armed extortion

    • Doyce, lend your wisdom to how you think this should have been handled then.

    • Scott Jackson I believe it was a miscarriage of justice.

    • Troll . . .

    • Go and jump off a very tall building you Nazi scum bag.

    • i have a rope for you you marxist piece of human trash — now look up human in blacks law you monster!

    • Hey, dont like citizens rising up and putting a trannical govt down please feel free to leave.

    • Jenni Lovsey Likely they’ll be leaving soon one way or the other. It’s the way history has of catching out errors in judgement involving firearms.

    • Doyce , here is class learn something about your glorious gooberment….

      Well , ahhhh …

      The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency – it is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v.
      IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967,
      Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

      The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

      The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

      The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-
      288)

      The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. After over
      200 years of operating under bankruptcy – it’s finally over. No more “reorganizations.” (Executive
      Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison. 18 U.S.C.
      914

      The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA, and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States
      government – although the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v.
      Strang, 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

      Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security
      Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security
      Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms
      state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by
      sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
      Read the cites above)

      There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been any since 1789. Judges do not
      enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE
      281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

      There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v.
      GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178) 10.
      According to the GATT you must have a
      Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

      We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System.

      The UN is a One World Super Government.

      No one on this planet has ever been free. This entire planet is nothing more than a Slave Colony. There
      has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has
      changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations.

      New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on
      C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111,
      subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

      Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619,
      Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

      Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if
      you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

      You own no property – slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours.
      You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

      The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of
      Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

      The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24) 20. The King of England financially backed
      both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

      You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford, Fay, &
      Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

      America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND
      MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH
      TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of
      Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464,
      Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

      Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

      The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
      A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

      The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of
      1455 and 1493)

      The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and
      1493)

      The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati,
      1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

      We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts
      108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session,
      Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

      Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of
      the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

      “The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

      The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

      It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code
      breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch
      v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

      Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports
      etc. (Executive Order 12803)

      We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

      The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns
      every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple.

      The good news is we don’t have to fulfill “our” fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious
      obligation with another’s fictitious obligation.

      The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other
      companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression.
      The building of Germany’s infrastructure in the 1930’s including the Railroads was financed by the United States.
      That way those who call themselves “Kings,” “Prime Ministers,” and “Furor.”etc could sit back
      and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn’t even exist. The millions of
      innocent people who died for nothing.

      Isn’t it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these
      fiascoes? That is where the “Bank of International Settlements” is located.

      Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of
      “Government” in place.

      Wake up asshole !
      The government is the domestic terrorist I swore an oath to protect my fellow Americans from !

      lll %

    • Doyce is making a classic blunder of thinking that the federal government is it’s own entity, separate from the people. It’s “We the People.” And this being “federal land” the protesters have just as much right to be there as anyone else. Laws are funny like that. The gates were unlocked, the doors to facilities were unlocked. They just walked in and made their case. Get over it.

    • Weyman Cochran Which oath would that be sonny?

    • What in the fuck are you smoking, crazy old bastard ?!

    • Nick Simmons You are making the classical blunder of believing any citizen has the right to declare himself the arbiter of law and human rights …. however if you can pull it off and stay alive out of prison, you win a point. That’s all.

    • Waco solution not needed. Shut down the power Block the road. No one goes in or out. Go in in the spring to pick up the bodies of the frozen/starved hold outs.

    • Dale Shock One solution. I happen to prefer a demand they disarm, but if they prefer freezing and starving I’m down for it.

    • Of course you support Slanders who in turn supports apartheid Israel.

    • Robert Truxillo Actually he’s never stated whether he supports Israel. If he does it’s too bad, but a person would have trouble finding a presidential candidate who doesn’t. Unless Jimmy Carter is running again.

    • What you are doing is referred to as an appeal to authority.

    • Robert Truxillo Nope. What I’m doing is preferring due process over what you are suggesting: every man for himself and devil take the hindmost

    • Doyce Purcell you’re a moronic useful idiot

    • This is fun!

    • Doyce is a bitch. He probably has a small penis too. He probably likes to watch his woman get fucked by other men.

    • One ignorant murikkkan right here

    • They already went through due process dumbass. The ranchers served their sentence and now the government is trying to send them back to prison.

    • Karl Bost You dumb son of a bitch. That occupation doesn’t have anything to do with the wildlife refuge.

    • Stalin would admire your statism.

    • Well you are either a troll,an avid fascist or a complete imbecile…on second thought,move to China,Russia or the DPRK.

    • Jared Wolkens Stalin didn’t admire anything tittyboy

    • Perhaps crayons and a coloring book would better suffice your elevated level of ignorance and extremely low intelligence, because you’re definitely not the brightest bulb in the chandelier when it comes to that which is utterly simple to comprehend for those who have acquired the knowledge to ascertain that what those men and women are doing is exactly what the Founding Fathers would have agreed with. You mentioned DNA. Well, hopefully your little nuts were cut off before you had a chance to infect the rest of non psychopathic critically thinking men and women on the North American continent, and the rest of the landmass on this planet. Yeah, you’re a dumbed down idiot. Don’t bother attempting to create any ideas leading to a foolish response. You’re already the lead clown in that fukin circus of yours so there’s no need buckin for a raise.

    • You damn NAZI cock sucker

    • Wow – you’re about as smart as Bernie Sanders. No wonder you’ll vote for him. Statist trash.

  • Bring in the Feds, demand they put down their weapons peacefully, And if they refuse, proceed to arrest them. The first instant an arresting officer feels his life is threatened, kill the threat. And kill as many threats as still appear threatening. Then send wreckers out for their vehicles and put them up for public auction to help pay for the damages done here. If there are kids, send them away to reform schools until they are 18, then try them as adults and put them away for the remainder of their lives. And castrate the males, neuter the females, man, woman and child so there’s no danger of any DNA from any of them being left in the gene pool. Then hunt down their parents and any grandkids they’ve got and do the same to them. Round up everyone who supports them and put them in FEMA concentration camps if such things exist. Then burn down the camps.

    There needn’t be a Waco in Oregon if they lay down their weapons and surrender to law enforcement officers. Otherwise, let’s have a Waco sooner rather than later.

    • F&%K OFF!!!

    • Lol get fucked m8.

    • Seriously, you sound like Hitler.

    • I sound like a man who delt with bastards such as this one on one during the sagebrush rebellion and got a belly full of their whining welfare rancher bullshit and self-appointed protectors of whatever they thought they could steal.

    • You are suggesting that millions of people should be murdered for resisting authority. I guess trump can count on your vote?

    • Yeah, no. That would single handedly kickstart a civil war.

    • Go die of a heart attack old fuck. Your kind is outdated in this society.

    • You for real?….Fukwit

    • You are an advocate for murder and death, you are an empty shell of a person, without any humanity.
      I feel sorry for your soul.

    • David McCormick I’m suggesting these people who are holding a federal property by threat of violence be removed by whatever means necessary. Trump won’t be getting my vote. Bernie Sanders will.

    • These welfare whining products of 10 generations of first cousins inbreeding are cowards. They won’t be starting any civil war

    • Daniel Vieyra Thanks.

    • Doyce… derp.

    • Typical american response…shoot them, kill them and kill their kids….war? What is it good for?…Im sure you know the rest…quit being a predictable yank and actually understand these people are doing what many more americans should do, and thats stand up against your oppressive govt…dude you sound like you have issues, maybe go deal with them another way before hastily making death decisions huh

    • You New Zealanders have always been cowards Sean Jones

    • spoken like a true socialist

    • Sean Jones How would you handle the situation?

    • I don’t know what you “sound” like… as text is monotone but.. you should “feel” like a dumbass, sir.

    • I wouldnt handle it, Im on their side…I just said more americans need to do the same, rich calling me a coward when you want to take kids lives…The average american are the cowards, to scared to stand up against your corrupt and abusive govt, yet no problems sending in the feds to shoot up a bunch of revolutionary fighters…

    • Here’s Ammon’s dad

    • You are suggesting that people who aren’t even involved (grandkids and relatives, people who support resistance) be neutered and murdered. I’m pretty sure that’s what Hitler did to the Jews. You are a filthy Nazi scumbag.

    • Fuck it right lol

    • doyce…obviously you are not aware they have a 99 year lease on that land that the blm took away on a mistake and now your blm is in a fix because of that…you sir are trash

    • Joe Bradley You are mistaken, or you are a liar.

    • I mean lets just ignore the fact all together that according to the constitution the federal govt owns the land illegally…

    • Ryan Zielinski The supreme court determines Constitutionality, Ryan. Not a bunch of high school dropout gunbunnies.

    • oh i get it…he is a simple service worker of the blm…nevermind

    • What law are they accused of breaking?

    • Joe Bradley One or the other. Misinformed or a conscious and deliberate liar.

    • Doyce is just acting like a douche bag to stir shit up–

    • ok how about just a simple service worker robert redford wannabee?

    • Doyce you fail to understand the concept of checks and balances…

    • I’m sorry, but that property belongs to the public trust. The feds don’t own it, they manage it for the people who own it, being you and I.

    • This guy is the reason why I am no longer a “liberal”. He sounds like a right wing extremist but says he’s voting for sanders. Fucking lunatic.

    • And as a matter of fact it would be the constitution that determines constitutionality, not the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court isn’t and wasn’t even meant to interpret the constitution as the Supreme Court represents the judicial branch of our govt (talking about checks and balances here since I know you’re too stupid to follow).

    • The purpose of the constitution was to limit the power of the govt. so what sense does it make to have the govt interpret the way it limits itself?

    • The only way a civilized society can exist is through due process. These welfare ranchers have taken it upon themselves to destroy due process and attempt to extort concessions by point of the gun.

    • Doyce, you are the very reason good men need firearms.
      Imagine, someone like this male, in power.
      I shudder at the thought.

    • there is no civlized society in the US.only pockets of civilized people living undergound hiding their cilvility for fear of persicution.

    • Daniel Vieyra I’ve no problem with firearms

    • Jeremiah Gillanders if true they need to keep their heads down and not wave firearms around threatening public owned treasure and committing extortion

    • Jeremiah Gillanders if true they need to keep their heads down and not wave firearms around threatening public owned treasure and committing armed extortion

    • Doyce, lend your wisdom to how you think this should have been handled then.

    • Scott Jackson I believe it was a miscarriage of justice.

    • Troll . . .

    • Go and jump off a very tall building you Nazi scum bag.

    • i have a rope for you you marxist piece of human trash — now look up human in blacks law you monster!

    • Hey, dont like citizens rising up and putting a trannical govt down please feel free to leave.

    • Jenni Lovsey Likely they’ll be leaving soon one way or the other. It’s the way history has of catching out errors in judgement involving firearms.

    • Doyce , here is class learn something about your glorious gooberment….

      Well , ahhhh …

      The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency – it is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v.
      IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967,
      Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

      The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

      The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

      The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-
      288)

      The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. After over
      200 years of operating under bankruptcy – it’s finally over. No more “reorganizations.” (Executive
      Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison. 18 U.S.C.
      914

      The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA, and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States
      government – although the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v.
      Strang, 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

      Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security
      Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security
      Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms
      state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by
      sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
      Read the cites above)

      There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been any since 1789. Judges do not
      enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE
      281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

      There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v.
      GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178) 10.
      According to the GATT you must have a
      Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

      We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System.

      The UN is a One World Super Government.

      No one on this planet has ever been free. This entire planet is nothing more than a Slave Colony. There
      has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has
      changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations.

      New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on
      C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111,
      subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

      Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619,
      Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

      Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if
      you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

      You own no property – slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours.
      You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

      The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of
      Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

      The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24) 20. The King of England financially backed
      both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

      You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford, Fay, &
      Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

      America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND
      MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH
      TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of
      Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464,
      Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

      Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

      The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
      A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

      The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of
      1455 and 1493)

      The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and
      1493)

      The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati,
      1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

      We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts
      108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session,
      Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

      Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of
      the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

      “The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

      The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

      It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code
      breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch
      v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

      Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports
      etc. (Executive Order 12803)

      We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

      The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns
      every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple.

      The good news is we don’t have to fulfill “our” fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious
      obligation with another’s fictitious obligation.

      The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other
      companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression.
      The building of Germany’s infrastructure in the 1930’s including the Railroads was financed by the United States.
      That way those who call themselves “Kings,” “Prime Ministers,” and “Furor.”etc could sit back
      and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn’t even exist. The millions of
      innocent people who died for nothing.

      Isn’t it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these
      fiascoes? That is where the “Bank of International Settlements” is located.

      Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of
      “Government” in place.

      Wake up asshole !
      The government is the domestic terrorist I swore an oath to protect my fellow Americans from !

      lll %

    • Doyce is making a classic blunder of thinking that the federal government is it’s own entity, separate from the people. It’s “We the People.” And this being “federal land” the protesters have just as much right to be there as anyone else. Laws are funny like that. The gates were unlocked, the doors to facilities were unlocked. They just walked in and made their case. Get over it.

    • Weyman Cochran Which oath would that be sonny?

    • What in the fuck are you smoking, crazy old bastard ?!

    • Nick Simmons You are making the classical blunder of believing any citizen has the right to declare himself the arbiter of law and human rights …. however if you can pull it off and stay alive out of prison, you win a point. That’s all.

    • Waco solution not needed. Shut down the power Block the road. No one goes in or out. Go in in the spring to pick up the bodies of the frozen/starved hold outs.

    • Dale Shock One solution. I happen to prefer a demand they disarm, but if they prefer freezing and starving I’m down for it.

    • Of course you support Slanders who in turn supports apartheid Israel.

    • Robert Truxillo Actually he’s never stated whether he supports Israel. If he does it’s too bad, but a person would have trouble finding a presidential candidate who doesn’t. Unless Jimmy Carter is running again.

    • What you are doing is referred to as an appeal to authority.

    • Robert Truxillo Nope. What I’m doing is preferring due process over what you are suggesting: every man for himself and devil take the hindmost

    • Doyce Purcell you’re a moronic useful idiot

    • This is fun!

    • Doyce is a bitch. He probably has a small penis too. He probably likes to watch his woman get fucked by other men.

    • One ignorant murikkkan right here

    • They already went through due process dumbass. The ranchers served their sentence and now the government is trying to send them back to prison.

    • Karl Bost You dumb son of a bitch. That occupation doesn’t have anything to do with the wildlife refuge.

    • Stalin would admire your statism.

    • Well you are either a troll,an avid fascist or a complete imbecile…on second thought,move to China,Russia or the DPRK.

    • Jared Wolkens Stalin didn’t admire anything tittyboy

    • Perhaps crayons and a coloring book would better suffice your elevated level of ignorance and extremely low intelligence, because you’re definitely not the brightest bulb in the chandelier when it comes to that which is utterly simple to comprehend for those who have acquired the knowledge to ascertain that what those men and women are doing is exactly what the Founding Fathers would have agreed with. You mentioned DNA. Well, hopefully your little nuts were cut off before you had a chance to infect the rest of non psychopathic critically thinking men and women on the North American continent, and the rest of the landmass on this planet. Yeah, you’re a dumbed down idiot. Don’t bother attempting to create any ideas leading to a foolish response. You’re already the lead clown in that fukin circus of yours so there’s no need buckin for a raise.

    • You damn NAZI cock sucker

    • Wow – you’re about as smart as Bernie Sanders. No wonder you’ll vote for him. Statist trash.

  • I think napalm is the answer.

    • You said the same about Furgeson, yes?

    • No. There are civilians in Ferguson fighting military police occupation.

    • ^ logic of a Bernie supporter.

    • Black community, white militarized police, no accountability. South Africa in Missouri?

  • I think napalm is the answer.

    • You said the same about Furgeson, yes?

    • No. There are civilians in Ferguson fighting military police occupation.

    • ^ logic of a Bernie supporter.

    • Black community, white militarized police, no accountability. South Africa in Missouri?

  • With the state of things I would say this is a true statement.

  • With the state of things I would say this is a true statement.

  • What oath they be keeping? Love of self?

    • To uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies ,foreign and domestic. But you’ve probably never taken that oath so you wouldn’t know.

    • Oh, I know. The same oath my father took before the Navy nuked him and told him to keep quiet and go away. That oath? And Mr. Driver, who decides the enemy? You?

  • What oath they be keeping? Love of self?

    • To uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies ,foreign and domestic. But you’ve probably never taken that oath so you wouldn’t know.

    • Oh, I know. The same oath my father took before the Navy nuked him and told him to keep quiet and go away. That oath? And Mr. Driver, who decides the enemy? You?

  • wtf is wrong with all these people ??? all these hating on the Bundees :O the American government is tyrranous & someone stands up to them & Y’all like a bunch of babies….

  • wtf is wrong with all these people ??? all these hating on the Bundees :O the American government is tyrranous & someone stands up to them & Y’all like a bunch of babies….

  • I love how they compare what they are doing to protests from the 50’s and 60’s, it’s not even close. They’re occupying a building not just with guns, but with damn near full battle rattle. I’ve seen armed ranchers, they don’t wear plate carriers loaded up with extra mags.

    • It’s funny how you have a problem with American citizens being fully armed but you don’t state an objection to the Feds being fully armed to the teeth when they enforce literally everything they do. Statist much?

    • Ryan Zielinski, can you point out where I said I had a problem with American citizens being armed? You can’t, because I never said that. I can see that you’re a master baiter, but bro, I’m not biting.

    • What’s the point of stating “they’re occupying a building not just with guns, but with damn near full battle rattle”? Did you not say that?

    • My point is that by pointing that out you’re implying that you have an issue with them being armed. Otherwise why point it out? Statist

    • You know you’re a statist when you don’t even remember what you said; and the funny part is that you didn’t say it; you typed it and it’s still there lmao…

    • Ryan Zielinski, you are so far off the point it isn’t even funny, so I’ll explain it to you. The occupiers are saying that they’re just armed ranchers. I’ve never seen an armed rancher wearing a plate carrier with all the bells and whistles. Hell, I’ve never seen ranchers that are near the Mexico border with that much gear. Douchebag.

    • The Mexico border? Do you even know where this is taking place?

    • Hey Jason, police say they’re “just police” yet they have tanks, APCs, 50 Cal mounted machine guns… I’ve never seen police with that gear. Military yes, police no.

      You’re the government-loving douchebag here.

    • This is taking place in Oregon you dumb fuck. Why are you talking out of your ass? You don’t even know what we’re taking about here! Get with the program!

    • It doesn’t matter what the ranchers are saying anyways. All you’re trying to do is label and judge them. The only label that should be applied to them is “American Citizen” otherwise you’re just being a liberal fuck; falling victim to the game started by the liberal media. You’re so stupid you don’t know what’s going on but yet you come here to be played by the very media you worship!

    • And by calling them ranchers and not farmers; you’re again falling victim to the game employed upon you by the liberal media. The point is to make you forget that people like these American citizens aren’t responsible for much of the foods you eat on a daily basis! How stupid are you?!?

    • Ryan Zielinski, did your parents have any other children that survived?

    • Matt Jackson, where in my comments have I ever said “just police?” Where? It’s ok, I’ll wait while you look. That’s right, I never said anything like that at all. I’m guessing Hooked on Phonics didn’t work for you?

    • Uh, where did I claim you SAID those things? Nowhere. Go back and look, I’ll wait.

      You clearly don’t understand analogies and can’t grasp the fact that this government’s time is up, and restoring the Constitution and rights of the People is coming very soon. Pick your side.

    • Ryan Zielinski, I’m going to explain things one last time. If you still can’t grasp what I’m saying after that, then I’m afraid you’re beyond help, and should probably look into euthanasia.

      1. I’m not the one calling them ranchers. They are calling THEMSELVES ranchers. The story states this.

      “These ranchers, cowboys, and veterans just happen to be armed, as westerners tend to be.”

      2. They pointed out that they’re just armed ranchers. My position is that I’ve seen armed ranchers, and none of them were as heavily armed as the occupiers are.

      3. They pointed out that they’re just armed ranchers. My secondary position is that I’ve seen armed ranchers that are from the area around the Mexico border, and they too weren’t as heavily armed as the occupiers. I never stated that the occupiers were from Mexico, or that this ordeal is taking place in or near Mexico. I am simply making a comparison between the occupiers and real ranchers from border areas.

      I think that just about covers it.

    • Matt Jackson, I’ve gone back and reread your initial comment. I’m afraid I can’t find any rational thought or concept there at all. I’ve also reread your second comment, and again I don’t see any valid thought. All I see is the irrational ramblings of a person who aspires to be a domestic terrorist. Have fun storming the castle.

    • Exactly what would have happened if any of those leftist occupiers would have been heavily armed?

    • What would have happened to leftist occupiers back in the day? The same thing that happened to on Ruby Ridge. It’s wonderful how far we have come sine then, mass information sharing has crippled the governments ability to commit mass murder. I think that’s wonderful. If these men would have gone in unarmed they would have been removed fast, I believe, because they are white country folk and we seem to be the bottom of the pile these days. Imagine a group of people who’s members can be convicted of terrorism for ordinary actions performed all the time. And very few would even care if it weren’t for these men.

  • I love how they compare what they are doing to protests from the 50’s and 60’s, it’s not even close. They’re occupying a building not just with guns, but with damn near full battle rattle. I’ve seen armed ranchers, they don’t wear plate carriers loaded up with extra mags.

    • It’s funny how you have a problem with American citizens being fully armed but you don’t state an objection to the Feds being fully armed to the teeth when they enforce literally everything they do. Statist much?

    • Ryan Zielinski, can you point out where I said I had a problem with American citizens being armed? You can’t, because I never said that. I can see that you’re a master baiter, but bro, I’m not biting.

    • What’s the point of stating “they’re occupying a building not just with guns, but with damn near full battle rattle”? Did you not say that?

    • My point is that by pointing that out you’re implying that you have an issue with them being armed. Otherwise why point it out? Statist

    • You know you’re a statist when you don’t even remember what you said; and the funny part is that you didn’t say it; you typed it and it’s still there lmao…

    • Ryan Zielinski, you are so far off the point it isn’t even funny, so I’ll explain it to you. The occupiers are saying that they’re just armed ranchers. I’ve never seen an armed rancher wearing a plate carrier with all the bells and whistles. Hell, I’ve never seen ranchers that are near the Mexico border with that much gear. Douchebag.

    • The Mexico border? Do you even know where this is taking place?

    • Hey Jason, police say they’re “just police” yet they have tanks, APCs, 50 Cal mounted machine guns… I’ve never seen police with that gear. Military yes, police no.

      You’re the government-loving douchebag here.

    • This is taking place in Oregon you dumb fuck. Why are you talking out of your ass? You don’t even know what we’re taking about here! Get with the program!

    • It doesn’t matter what the ranchers are saying anyways. All you’re trying to do is label and judge them. The only label that should be applied to them is “American Citizen” otherwise you’re just being a liberal fuck; falling victim to the game started by the liberal media. You’re so stupid you don’t know what’s going on but yet you come here to be played by the very media you worship!

    • And by calling them ranchers and not farmers; you’re again falling victim to the game employed upon you by the liberal media. The point is to make you forget that people like these American citizens aren’t responsible for much of the foods you eat on a daily basis! How stupid are you?!?

    • Ryan Zielinski, did your parents have any other children that survived?

    • Matt Jackson, where in my comments have I ever said “just police?” Where? It’s ok, I’ll wait while you look. That’s right, I never said anything like that at all. I’m guessing Hooked on Phonics didn’t work for you?

    • Uh, where did I claim you SAID those things? Nowhere. Go back and look, I’ll wait.

      You clearly don’t understand analogies and can’t grasp the fact that this government’s time is up, and restoring the Constitution and rights of the People is coming very soon. Pick your side.

    • Ryan Zielinski, I’m going to explain things one last time. If you still can’t grasp what I’m saying after that, then I’m afraid you’re beyond help, and should probably look into euthanasia.

      1. I’m not the one calling them ranchers. They are calling THEMSELVES ranchers. The story states this.

      “These ranchers, cowboys, and veterans just happen to be armed, as westerners tend to be.”

      2. They pointed out that they’re just armed ranchers. My position is that I’ve seen armed ranchers, and none of them were as heavily armed as the occupiers are.

      3. They pointed out that they’re just armed ranchers. My secondary position is that I’ve seen armed ranchers that are from the area around the Mexico border, and they too weren’t as heavily armed as the occupiers. I never stated that the occupiers were from Mexico, or that this ordeal is taking place in or near Mexico. I am simply making a comparison between the occupiers and real ranchers from border areas.

      I think that just about covers it.

    • Matt Jackson, I’ve gone back and reread your initial comment. I’m afraid I can’t find any rational thought or concept there at all. I’ve also reread your second comment, and again I don’t see any valid thought. All I see is the irrational ramblings of a person who aspires to be a domestic terrorist. Have fun storming the castle.

    • Exactly what would have happened if any of those leftist occupiers would have been heavily armed?

    • What would have happened to leftist occupiers back in the day? The same thing that happened to on Ruby Ridge. It’s wonderful how far we have come sine then, mass information sharing has crippled the governments ability to commit mass murder. I think that’s wonderful. If these men would have gone in unarmed they would have been removed fast, I believe, because they are white country folk and we seem to be the bottom of the pile these days. Imagine a group of people who’s members can be convicted of terrorism for ordinary actions performed all the time. And very few would even care if it weren’t for these men.

  • LET’S FUCKING HOPE IT DOESN’T HAPPEN!

  • LET’S FUCKING HOPE IT DOESN’T HAPPEN!

  • Civil war? Over what?
    They obviously have no idea how this country works.

    • Try property rights?

    • Maybe the fact that the federal govt “owns” most of the land in the west unconstitutionally?

    • But no. You’re right. Those aren’t things worth fighting for… Lmao

    • Okay, and how many people do you think are going to take up arms? Rampant corruption, police murdering people in the streets to the tune of 3-5 per day, millions being blown on a needless war over oil and exploitation, but no, a few rednecks in Oregon is gonna be the straw that breaks the camels back.
      Or, back in reality, the two or three hundred that show up are slaughtered, imprisoned without due process for being terrorists, their cause is demeaned and twisted into something radical and extreme, to be left as a reminder to those who go against the empire.
      Sorry pal, there is no way in hell this is getting any bigger, no matter what happens.

    • Time will tell. Pick your side now, we the people or the federal government.

    • You’re lost because you think this is about the bundys or the hammonds. You act like they’re not supporting and fighting for YOUR rights too! God forbid!

    • And I also love how you assume what ppl will do based on what comments you read on the Internet. Not for nothing but the oath keepers are a very deep organization. They don’t need your dumbass to start a revolution. Or anybody you’ve ever known or met in your entire lifetime for that matter…

    • The ones who will be making the difference are quiet and not voicing their opinions. You act like every view held by every American citizen is accurately represented in the comments of these posts. You couldn’t be more of a fool…

    • Just keep acting like nothing can be done. Keep acting like the constitution doesn’t empower us to do things like this. You are not needed therefore your thoughts on the outcome of this are completely worthless

    • The constitution is a joke, just like this country. Keep making millionaires money for them buddy. I want nothing to do with it, because as long as capitalism reigns nothing will ever change.

    • Capitalism reigns? We haven’t had capitalism since 1912.

    • How could I argue with such a well articulated statement?
      Oh wait, you’re wrong lol. Keep on making millionaires money for them big guy. Oh wait, we aren’t capitalist. Thanks man, i needed a laugh this morning.

  • Civil war? Over what?
    They obviously have no idea how this country works.

    • Try property rights?

    • Maybe the fact that the federal govt “owns” most of the land in the west unconstitutionally?

    • But no. You’re right. Those aren’t things worth fighting for… Lmao

    • Okay, and how many people do you think are going to take up arms? Rampant corruption, police murdering people in the streets to the tune of 3-5 per day, millions being blown on a needless war over oil and exploitation, but no, a few rednecks in Oregon is gonna be the straw that breaks the camels back.
      Or, back in reality, the two or three hundred that show up are slaughtered, imprisoned without due process for being terrorists, their cause is demeaned and twisted into something radical and extreme, to be left as a reminder to those who go against the empire.
      Sorry pal, there is no way in hell this is getting any bigger, no matter what happens.

    • Time will tell. Pick your side now, we the people or the federal government.

    • You’re lost because you think this is about the bundys or the hammonds. You act like they’re not supporting and fighting for YOUR rights too! God forbid!

    • And I also love how you assume what ppl will do based on what comments you read on the Internet. Not for nothing but the oath keepers are a very deep organization. They don’t need your dumbass to start a revolution. Or anybody you’ve ever known or met in your entire lifetime for that matter…

    • The ones who will be making the difference are quiet and not voicing their opinions. You act like every view held by every American citizen is accurately represented in the comments of these posts. You couldn’t be more of a fool…

    • Just keep acting like nothing can be done. Keep acting like the constitution doesn’t empower us to do things like this. You are not needed therefore your thoughts on the outcome of this are completely worthless

    • The constitution is a joke, just like this country. Keep making millionaires money for them buddy. I want nothing to do with it, because as long as capitalism reigns nothing will ever change.

    • Capitalism reigns? We haven’t had capitalism since 1912.

    • How could I argue with such a well articulated statement?
      Oh wait, you’re wrong lol. Keep on making millionaires money for them big guy. Oh wait, we aren’t capitalist. Thanks man, i needed a laugh this morning.

  • JUST BOMB THEM AND BE DONE!!

    • Lol, another fat government-cock sucking old man. Your kind will die off soon enough.

    • Fuck you – Limey bastard. This is none of your fucking business.

  • JUST BOMB THEM AND BE DONE!!

    • Lol, another fat government-cock sucking old man. Your kind will die off soon enough.

    • Fuck you – Limey bastard. This is none of your fucking business.

  • Hope so if not it’s on i stand with the true patriots the true American screw what the others say these people are standing up

  • Hope so if not it’s on i stand with the true patriots the true American screw what the others say these people are standing up

  • All of you govt sympathizers are pathetic… You should be ashamed to call yourselves Americans.

  • All of you govt sympathizers are pathetic… You should be ashamed to call yourselves Americans.

  • You can’t beat them on their terms. Eienstein said you cant solve a problem on the level that created it. Consciousness and awareness is the way. May cooler heads prevail.

  • You can’t beat them on their terms. Eienstein said you cant solve a problem on the level that created it. Consciousness and awareness is the way. May cooler heads prevail.

  • The USA supports terror groups and opposition in all the other countries in the world as long as the mess caused is beneficial to the USA or to the money junkies in the USA. Time for all the other countries to pay back and support this “opposition”, as long as this will lead to the dismantling of the Evil Empire and delivering to its nation the same mess and the same amount of suffering its patriotic slaves zombie soldiers gave to the outside world.

    • I wonder to what department belongs this “mysterious” group of snipers that shoot into a crowd from the territories of American embassies during all the otherwise peaceful protest that grew to overthrows of governments worldwide in the last at least 25 years??

    • Try the cia?

    • When discussing the foreign relations of the US on social media, I think it would be a strong suggestion that you may want to recognize that the US govt does not represent the will of the citizens on most occasions and keep them separated.

    • I don’t think you really want to sit here and wish harm upon US citizens to justify what the US govt does without telling us…

    • That is the democracy, dude. You don’t really elect, but you still are responsible and pay with your taxes for the atrocities of your government. Besides, very high percent of the American population are soldiers, who participated (and were payed for their service) in everything what your government committed. Your “veterans” still are proud of what they were doing, by the way…

    • Okay pal, why don’t you stop hiding behind your computer and come attempt to hold me responsible for what my govt did with money they literally took from me without my permission. I’ll give you my address if you’d like

    • Do you not listen to how fucking insanely stupid you sound?

    • My govt steals my money with the threat of force. What that means is that we don’t have a choice unless we want our lives ruined. But you’re gonna sit here and tell me it’s my fault and my responsibility to pay for it?

    • What’s crazy is that you’ve acknowledged that this is my govts doing, yet you refuse to hold them responsible for what they did? What kind of a dumbass are you?

    • Taxes in North America historically started for financing the war of that time. And you are not refusing to pay your taxes, are you?? So, you statement is that you are not responsible for the actions of your government, in spite you are paying taxes?

    • Hey Ryan…..

    • You are also welcome to leave. If you have the other planet.

    • Aleksandr Rudyuk, that wasn’t meant for you. That’s why I prefaced it with, “Hey Ryan…”

    • Ryan Zielinski Oh, you placed so many comments that I missed this particular one… No, I will not come to see you face to face, like you did not come to fight the Soviet Union face to face. You used the foul tactics of fighting; why the other, good people should restrain themself to not using similar tactical advantages against the DISHONOURABLE nation??

  • The USA supports terror groups and opposition in all the other countries in the world as long as the mess caused is beneficial to the USA or to the money junkies in the USA. Time for all the other countries to pay back and support this “opposition”, as long as this will lead to the dismantling of the Evil Empire and delivering to its nation the same mess and the same amount of suffering its patriotic slaves zombie soldiers gave to the outside world.

    • I wonder to what department belongs this “mysterious” group of snipers that shoot into a crowd from the territories of American embassies during all the otherwise peaceful protest that grew to overthrows of governments worldwide in the last at least 25 years??

    • Try the cia?

    • When discussing the foreign relations of the US on social media, I think it would be a strong suggestion that you may want to recognize that the US govt does not represent the will of the citizens on most occasions and keep them separated.

    • I don’t think you really want to sit here and wish harm upon US citizens to justify what the US govt does without telling us…

    • That is the democracy, dude. You don’t really elect, but you still are responsible and pay with your taxes for the atrocities of your government. Besides, very high percent of the American population are soldiers, who participated (and were payed for their service) in everything what your government committed. Your “veterans” still are proud of what they were doing, by the way…

    • Okay pal, why don’t you stop hiding behind your computer and come attempt to hold me responsible for what my govt did with money they literally took from me without my permission. I’ll give you my address if you’d like

    • Do you not listen to how fucking insanely stupid you sound?

    • My govt steals my money with the threat of force. What that means is that we don’t have a choice unless we want our lives ruined. But you’re gonna sit here and tell me it’s my fault and my responsibility to pay for it?

    • What’s crazy is that you’ve acknowledged that this is my govts doing, yet you refuse to hold them responsible for what they did? What kind of a dumbass are you?

    • Taxes in North America historically started for financing the war of that time. And you are not refusing to pay your taxes, are you?? So, you statement is that you are not responsible for the actions of your government, in spite you are paying taxes?

    • Hey Ryan…..

    • You are also welcome to leave. If you have the other planet.

    • Aleksandr Rudyuk, that wasn’t meant for you. That’s why I prefaced it with, “Hey Ryan…”

    • Ryan Zielinski Oh, you placed so many comments that I missed this particular one… No, I will not come to see you face to face, like you did not come to fight the Soviet Union face to face. You used the foul tactics of fighting; why the other, good people should restrain themself to not using similar tactical advantages against the DISHONOURABLE nation??

  • Peace is always better than violence

  • Peace is always better than violence

  • Oath Keepers want more government welfare too? David Koresh had the seeds to actually be killed on privately held lands. ATF and FBI brought the fight to him, son, not the other way around. https://youtu.be/nI-sxt_Kg3s

  • Oath Keepers want more government welfare too? David Koresh had the seeds to actually be killed on privately held lands. ATF and FBI brought the fight to him, son, not the other way around. https://youtu.be/nI-sxt_Kg3s

  • Leave them be. They’ll come down when everyone starts ignoring them.

  • Leave them be. They’ll come down when everyone starts ignoring them.

  • That’s very funny AND very quotable 🙂

  • That’s very funny AND very quotable 🙂

  • The “Oath Keepers” suffer from a shit-load of cognitive dissonance. This should be interesting to watch if nothing else.

    • Here learn something …

      Well , ahhhh …

      The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency – it is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v.
      IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967,
      Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

      The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

      The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

      The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-
      288)

      The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. After over
      200 years of operating under bankruptcy – it’s finally over. No more “reorganizations.” (Executive
      Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison. 18 U.S.C.
      914

      The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA, and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States
      government – although the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v.
      Strang, 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

      Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security
      Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security
      Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms
      state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by
      sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
      Read the cites above)

      There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been any since 1789. Judges do not
      enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE
      281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

      There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v.
      GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178) 10.
      According to the GATT you must have a
      Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

      We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System.

      The UN is a One World Super Government.

      No one on this planet has ever been free. This entire planet is nothing more than a Slave Colony. There
      has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has
      changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations.

      New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on
      C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111,
      subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

      Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619,
      Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

      Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if
      you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

      You own no property – slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours.
      You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

      The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of
      Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

      The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24) 20. The King of England financially backed
      both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

      You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford, Fay, &
      Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

      America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND
      MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH
      TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of
      Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464,
      Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

      Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

      The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
      A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

      The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of
      1455 and 1493)

      The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and
      1493)

      The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati,
      1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

      We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts
      108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session,
      Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

      Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of
      the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

      “The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

      The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

      It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code
      breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch
      v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

      Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports
      etc. (Executive Order 12803)

      We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

      The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns
      every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple.

      The good news is we don’t have to fulfill “our” fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious
      obligation with another’s fictitious obligation.

      The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other
      companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression.
      The building of Germany’s infrastructure in the 1930’s including the Railroads was financed by the United States.
      That way those who call themselves “Kings,” “Prime Ministers,” and “Furor.”etc could sit back
      and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn’t even exist. The millions of
      innocent people who died for nothing.

      Isn’t it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these
      fiascoes? That is where the “Bank of International Settlements” is located.

      Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of
      “Government” in place.

    • I love watching people who’ve spent a fraction of the time researching the subject as the ones they are commenting about… Lmao. You really think you’re more well-versed on the logistics of this situation than the oath keepers? You’re a fuckin troll and you don’t even know it yet lmao!!!

    • Ryan Zielinski Saying shit like “you’re a fucking troll” kinda makes you a fuckin troll.

    • How does it make me a fuckin troll when I’m simply calling out your bullshit?

    • Being a troll isn’t constituted by simply calling somebody out on being a troll. Being a troll is attempting to misdirect or deflect attention away from something onto something of lesser or no relevance. So yea. You’re a troll

    • It’s also funny that I call you out for trolling, and you continue to troll by trying to change the subject and not answering my question. But I think it’s safe to assume that you really do think you are more well-versed on the logistics of this situation than the oath keepers; who clearly are a lot more involved than you are…

    • TRACE MILLER>>>A coward’s favorite position is to sit and watch

  • The “Oath Keepers” suffer from a shit-load of cognitive dissonance. This should be interesting to watch if nothing else.

    • Here learn something …

      Well , ahhhh …

      The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency – it is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v.
      IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967,
      Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

      The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

      The U.S. has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)

      The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-
      288)

      The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. After over
      200 years of operating under bankruptcy – it’s finally over. No more “reorganizations.” (Executive
      Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison. 18 U.S.C.
      914

      The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA, and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States
      government – although the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. v.
      Strang, 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

      Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security
      Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security
      Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms
      state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by
      sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)
      Read the cites above)

      There are no judicial courts in America and there has not been any since 1789. Judges do not
      enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE
      281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

      There have not been any Judges in America since 1789. There have just been Administrators. (FRC v.
      GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428 1Stat. 138-178) 10.
      According to the GATT you must have a
      Social Security number. House Report (103-826)

      We have One World Government, One World Law and a One World Monetary System.

      The UN is a One World Super Government.

      No one on this planet has ever been free. This entire planet is nothing more than a Slave Colony. There
      has always been a One World Government. It is just that now it is much better organized and has
      changed its name as of 1945 to the United Nations.

      New York City is defined in the Federal Regulations as the United Nations. Rudolph Gulliani stated on
      C-Span that “New York City was the capital of the World” and he was correct. (20 CFR chapter 111,
      subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2)

      Social Security is not insurance or a contract, nor is there a Trust Fund. (Helvering v. Davis 301 US 619,
      Steward Co. V. Davis 301 US 548.)

      Your Social Security check comes directly from the IMF which is an Agency of the UN. (Look at it if
      you receive one. It should have written on the top left United States Treasury.)

      You own no property – slaves can’t own property. Read the Deed to the property that you think is yours.
      You are listed as a Tenant. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session)

      The most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court but, the Supreme Court of
      Pennsylvania. (42 Pa.C.S.A. 502)

      The Revolutionary War was a fraud. See (22, 23 and 24) 20. The King of England financially backed
      both sides of the Revolutionary war. (Treaty at Versailles July 16, 1782, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80)

      You cannot use the Constitution to defend yourself because you are not a party to it. (Padelford, Fay, &
      Co. v. The Mayor and Alderman of The City of Savannah 14 Georgia 438, 520)

      America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND
      MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH
      TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of
      Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464,
      Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.)

      Britain is owned by the Vatican. (Treaty of 1213)

      The Pope can abolish any law in the United States. (Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol.1 53-54)
      A 1040 form is for tribute paid to Britain. (IRS Publication 6209)

      The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of
      1455 and 1493)

      The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and
      1493)

      The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati,
      1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)

      We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts
      108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session,
      Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)

      Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of
      the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)

      “The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)

      The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)

      It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code
      breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch
      v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.

      Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports
      etc. (Executive Order 12803)

      We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)

      The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns
      every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple.

      The good news is we don’t have to fulfill “our” fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious
      obligation with another’s fictitious obligation.

      The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other
      companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression.
      The building of Germany’s infrastructure in the 1930’s including the Railroads was financed by the United States.
      That way those who call themselves “Kings,” “Prime Ministers,” and “Furor.”etc could sit back
      and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn’t even exist. The millions of
      innocent people who died for nothing.

      Isn’t it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these
      fiascoes? That is where the “Bank of International Settlements” is located.

      Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of
      “Government” in place.

    • I love watching people who’ve spent a fraction of the time researching the subject as the ones they are commenting about… Lmao. You really think you’re more well-versed on the logistics of this situation than the oath keepers? You’re a fuckin troll and you don’t even know it yet lmao!!!

    • Ryan Zielinski Saying shit like “you’re a fucking troll” kinda makes you a fuckin troll.

    • How does it make me a fuckin troll when I’m simply calling out your bullshit?

    • Being a troll isn’t constituted by simply calling somebody out on being a troll. Being a troll is attempting to misdirect or deflect attention away from something onto something of lesser or no relevance. So yea. You’re a troll

    • It’s also funny that I call you out for trolling, and you continue to troll by trying to change the subject and not answering my question. But I think it’s safe to assume that you really do think you are more well-versed on the logistics of this situation than the oath keepers; who clearly are a lot more involved than you are…

    • TRACE MILLER>>>A coward’s favorite position is to sit and watch

  • This is my very first comment on the Oregon Stand-Off but some statements in this article are really troubling to me, Stewart Rhodes.

    I think civil disobedience is one thing, but this stand-off rhetoric is beginning more and more to sound like “Organized Armed Resistance”. Frankly, I don’t think this is the time, issue and situation for justified “Armed Resistance”.

    Our Constitution provides venues and ways for grievances to be heard and addressed. These provided venues have not been exhausted, I think.

    • When the BLM starts abiding by the law and isn’t using terroristic tactics to steal land, then yes, there are legal pathways to voice grievances. Unfortunately it’s been decades and peaceful protesting and following all legal pathways have not yielded any benefit to the people.

    • The government is not likely to right it’s own course, and they clearly have no interest in representing us. While I agree that this isn’t an ideal situation, I am happy to see someone forcing the conversation towards exposing and hopefully stopping rampant tyranny. I think we can agree that this thing should hopefully resolve without violence, but if the feds do come in hard, I expect full blown civil war. The people have had it. Justice has been reduced to a joke, liberty is breathing it’s last breath, and the financial extraction of our country has left people with little to lose.

    • If those brave freedom lovers had stayed at home no one would be the wiser as to how corrupt the government is. From the Feds down to and including the city government. Judges and lawyers are no exception. How can you cowards trust a government that shoots and kills women and children running out of buildings that the shooters had set fire to? Shooters being the government.

    • Lol

    • Jake Conley, you got that right. That corporation only recognizes their foreign bank masters.

    • There should have been armed resistance back in 1913 when Woodrow Wilson sold the USA to the banking industry.

    • If this administration would abide by the Constitution… I would agree. But, it gets worse and worse each new administration….

    • Methinks this thread is addled with middle schoolers..

    • Shove it, Richard, I’ve seen your ad hominem ridden trolling all over the forums lately, you have nothing constructive to contribute from what I’ve seen.

    • Yeah Richard. Your apparently sub-standard IQ is allowing your obvious ignorance to blind us all with your shiny two cents-worth troll comment.

    • lol those avenues are nothing more then smoke and mirros that end with someone blowing smoke up your arse, 168 people own 62% of the worlds wealth 1/2 of them are americans you can fix that inequality internaly with a revolution or the rest of the world will fix it for you, but it always costs moreto get somone else to fix your problems then to do it yourself

  • This is my very first comment on the Oregon Stand-Off but some statements in this article are really troubling to me, Stewart Rhodes.

    I think civil disobedience is one thing, but this stand-off rhetoric is beginning more and more to sound like “Organized Armed Resistance”. Frankly, I don’t think this is the time, issue and situation for justified “Armed Resistance”.

    Our Constitution provides venues and ways for grievances to be heard and addressed. These provided venues have not been exhausted, I think.

    • When the BLM starts abiding by the law and isn’t using terroristic tactics to steal land, then yes, there are legal pathways to voice grievances. Unfortunately it’s been decades and peaceful protesting and following all legal pathways have not yielded any benefit to the people.

    • The government is not likely to right it’s own course, and they clearly have no interest in representing us. While I agree that this isn’t an ideal situation, I am happy to see someone forcing the conversation towards exposing and hopefully stopping rampant tyranny. I think we can agree that this thing should hopefully resolve without violence, but if the feds do come in hard, I expect full blown civil war. The people have had it. Justice has been reduced to a joke, liberty is breathing it’s last breath, and the financial extraction of our country has left people with little to lose.

    • If those brave freedom lovers had stayed at home no one would be the wiser as to how corrupt the government is. From the Feds down to and including the city government. Judges and lawyers are no exception. How can you cowards trust a government that shoots and kills women and children running out of buildings that the shooters had set fire to? Shooters being the government.

    • Lol

    • Jake Conley, you got that right. That corporation only recognizes their foreign bank masters.

    • There should have been armed resistance back in 1913 when Woodrow Wilson sold the USA to the banking industry.

    • If this administration would abide by the Constitution… I would agree. But, it gets worse and worse each new administration….

    • Methinks this thread is addled with middle schoolers..

    • Shove it, Richard, I’ve seen your ad hominem ridden trolling all over the forums lately, you have nothing constructive to contribute from what I’ve seen.

    • Yeah Richard. Your apparently sub-standard IQ is allowing your obvious ignorance to blind us all with your shiny two cents-worth troll comment.

    • lol those avenues are nothing more then smoke and mirros that end with someone blowing smoke up your arse, 168 people own 62% of the worlds wealth 1/2 of them are americans you can fix that inequality internaly with a revolution or the rest of the world will fix it for you, but it always costs moreto get somone else to fix your problems then to do it yourself

  • They can all #OccupyFlint, Michigan if they want.

  • They can all #OccupyFlint, Michigan if they want.

  • I hope there is very soon

  • I hope there is very soon

  • There won’t be civil war. A majority of the country believes that they are idiots. Life will continue as normal.

    • Yeah, because people standing up to unconstitutional UN-backed land grabs using terroristic tactics are “idiots”.

      I applaud those standing up for themselves, and I applaud the oath Keepers for being there to keep the peace and mediate.

    • These are wars that need battled in courts and through informed voters. Not by taking up arms and trying to be vigilantes. The reality is that this gets turned into a reason for people to lose gun rights every time.

    • Scott Richardson informed voters lmao “tghis turns into a reason for people to lose gun rights’ exactly why armed men should be the ones standing up for said rights.. that is called tyranny and you cant vote tyranny out of power

    • People allowed it to get this way. You will never see a shift in power back to the people by means of force. The information must be made reachable. This is exactly why they have aimed at sensoring the Internet. It can be shifted only by changing people’s views. Look at how successful Marijuana campaigns have been. Nobody was taking up arms for that. In this day and age. Using force simply won’t work.

    • The majority of the country are idiots who can’t spell and have limited reading comprehension. Most haven’t a clue who their local and state representatives are. But…they can give you all the stats on their favorite football team.
      Apparently Idiocracy was a business plan and not just a movie.

    • This is the result of a failed public educational system. There is no penalty for failures. Zero accountability for failing schools.

    • Scott Richardson , one of the failures is, that little fluoridated, indoctrinated and dumbed down idiots, such as yourself, are in mass quantities, and your ignorance induced stupidity is a clear example. What the fuk do you think the American colonists did to kick out the British ? Ask them to leave ? Be careful not to trip over yourself while your chewing your bubble gum. lol!

    • Yes I am ignorant for not recognizing the fact that when this occurred. There were some huge obstacles in the way for the British. They had no good means of communication across oceans then. It took months to travel overseas rather than hours. The weapon technology was borderline caveman. Keep living in your dream world troll.

  • There won’t be civil war. A majority of the country believes that they are idiots. Life will continue as normal.

    • Yeah, because people standing up to unconstitutional UN-backed land grabs using terroristic tactics are “idiots”.

      I applaud those standing up for themselves, and I applaud the oath Keepers for being there to keep the peace and mediate.

    • These are wars that need battled in courts and through informed voters. Not by taking up arms and trying to be vigilantes. The reality is that this gets turned into a reason for people to lose gun rights every time.

    • Scott Richardson informed voters lmao “tghis turns into a reason for people to lose gun rights’ exactly why armed men should be the ones standing up for said rights.. that is called tyranny and you cant vote tyranny out of power

    • People allowed it to get this way. You will never see a shift in power back to the people by means of force. The information must be made reachable. This is exactly why they have aimed at sensoring the Internet. It can be shifted only by changing people’s views. Look at how successful Marijuana campaigns have been. Nobody was taking up arms for that. In this day and age. Using force simply won’t work.

    • The majority of the country are idiots who can’t spell and have limited reading comprehension. Most haven’t a clue who their local and state representatives are. But…they can give you all the stats on their favorite football team.
      Apparently Idiocracy was a business plan and not just a movie.

    • This is the result of a failed public educational system. There is no penalty for failures. Zero accountability for failing schools.

    • Scott Richardson , one of the failures is, that little fluoridated, indoctrinated and dumbed down idiots, such as yourself, are in mass quantities, and your ignorance induced stupidity is a clear example. What the fuk do you think the American colonists did to kick out the British ? Ask them to leave ? Be careful not to trip over yourself while your chewing your bubble gum. lol!

    • Yes I am ignorant for not recognizing the fact that when this occurred. There were some huge obstacles in the way for the British. They had no good means of communication across oceans then. It took months to travel overseas rather than hours. The weapon technology was borderline caveman. Keep living in your dream world troll.

  • sure there will be a peaceful end , since this militia are white pussies , its not a dangerous black kid with a water pistol

    • You look like you take dick up your ass in a hut in the woods.

  • sure there will be a peaceful end , since this militia are white pussies , its not a dangerous black kid with a water pistol

    • You look like you take dick up your ass in a hut in the woods.

  • They are using cps to pressure these guys out

  • They are using cps to pressure these guys out

  • If they mention Waco without mentioning MOVE in Philly, then explain to them we still haven’t ruled out wiping them from the face of the Earth.

  • If they mention Waco without mentioning MOVE in Philly, then explain to them we still haven’t ruled out wiping them from the face of the Earth.

  • you go and stand up for real and to the end – you will feel for real and to the end what he original people on the continent experienced where the usa now is…

  • you go and stand up for real and to the end – you will feel for real and to the end what he original people on the continent experienced where the usa now is…

  • Why haven’t they locked this place down? Close it off to supplies coming in for CRYIN OUT LOUD! Let them run out of food, and toilet paper, and they’ll crawl out. THIS is outrageous! These culls are just waiting to sign book deals and get their 15 of fame when its over, and they’ll be there 5 years from now if we let them have supply lines. Cut them off, ignore their BS, and wait them out. Waiting them out while they are getting fed from the outside is about as STUPID a move as I can think of.

  • Why haven’t they locked this place down? Close it off to supplies coming in for CRYIN OUT LOUD! Let them run out of food, and toilet paper, and they’ll crawl out. THIS is outrageous! These culls are just waiting to sign book deals and get their 15 of fame when its over, and they’ll be there 5 years from now if we let them have supply lines. Cut them off, ignore their BS, and wait them out. Waiting them out while they are getting fed from the outside is about as STUPID a move as I can think of.

  • Man. It is really hard to watch statists not give a crap about our fellow Americans. Government is the problem. Not these people. Those of you that call for their arrest, death or caging need to ask yourselves -at what point will you finally understand that the government has given itself too much power?

    • What garbage. They have no “cause.” They are lawbreaker, racist babies with heads full of rocks and conspiracy theories. Freeloaders, law breakers and domestic terrorists.

    • Only Bammy sheepo’s and zombie’s do not support what these brave freedom loving americans are doing

    • You should loosen up your helmet dude. Do some research. Just because a ‘law’ was made by some asshole, doesn’t mean that it should exist. They do have cause. They have the CAUSE of LIBERTY. What they are doing is important. They are bringing to light yet another abuse of ‘authority’. They are certainly NOT domestic terrorists. I especially appreciate the double “whammy” you slid in there by adding the “racist” card. Nice try tho.

    • Doug Tull george washington was a law breaker, domestic terrorist and cospiracy theorist (as if thats an insult to question a proven liars words) .. seems like you are the only one with a head full of rocks and an ass full of government cocks…

    • Doug Tull The “cause” as you put it is the fact that the federal government has NO jurisdiction over STATE PROPERTY!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE&feature=player_detailpage

    • Doug Tull Ha, you were too obvious with your effort to troll. Tone it down a bit, you know, be a little more subtle. That way, your trolling will be successful and you’ll be fed by more people. Just trying to help! : )

    • The government didn’t give itself too much power the American citizen did. Tgr feds keep overstepping their boundaries and we keep letting them

    • The “government” IS OWNED by the criminal elites,their banks and corporations..it’s a symbiotic relationship at the very least.

    • If those people were any other color they would be dead

    • Cory Vincent, you hit the nail right on the head with that one. A corporation owned by the foreign banks.

    • Gov is the problem hurr durr.

    • Cory Vincent America. Love it or leave it.

    • Arthur Dent All Bullshit. US government property now and before that Indian property.

    • ^ you should try reading what the constitution says about “US government property”. But the only part I think you read was about “general welfare”

    • JS Fardello Liberty? You mean their liberty to destroy my liberty? Because they are whacko about it?

    • Thom H. Pean Sr, Your post sums up your side nicely.

    • Can any of your Right Wingers tell me what Rights you’ve lost? Would you support them if they were minorities or Muslims?

    • Chris Aragon, Folks that play the “troll” card are simply intellectual midgets.

    • Brandon Manis, Don’t forget the Black Panthers in Oakland and Berkeley.

    • Thom H. Pean Sr, Santa Monica College? WTF?

    • Corey Ronson, Canada? Didn’t you folks just elect Trudeau? LOL

  • Man. It is really hard to watch statists not give a crap about our fellow Americans. Government is the problem. Not these people. Those of you that call for their arrest, death or caging need to ask yourselves -at what point will you finally understand that the government has given itself too much power?

    • What garbage. They have no “cause.” They are lawbreaker, racist babies with heads full of rocks and conspiracy theories. Freeloaders, law breakers and domestic terrorists.

    • Only Bammy sheepo’s and zombie’s do not support what these brave freedom loving americans are doing

    • You should loosen up your helmet dude. Do some research. Just because a ‘law’ was made by some asshole, doesn’t mean that it should exist. They do have cause. They have the CAUSE of LIBERTY. What they are doing is important. They are bringing to light yet another abuse of ‘authority’. They are certainly NOT domestic terrorists. I especially appreciate the double “whammy” you slid in there by adding the “racist” card. Nice try tho.

    • Doug Tull george washington was a law breaker, domestic terrorist and cospiracy theorist (as if thats an insult to question a proven liars words) .. seems like you are the only one with a head full of rocks and an ass full of government cocks…

    • Doug Tull The “cause” as you put it is the fact that the federal government has NO jurisdiction over STATE PROPERTY!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE&feature=player_detailpage

    • Doug Tull Ha, you were too obvious with your effort to troll. Tone it down a bit, you know, be a little more subtle. That way, your trolling will be successful and you’ll be fed by more people. Just trying to help! : )

    • The government didn’t give itself too much power the American citizen did. Tgr feds keep overstepping their boundaries and we keep letting them

    • The “government” IS OWNED by the criminal elites,their banks and corporations..it’s a symbiotic relationship at the very least.

    • If those people were any other color they would be dead

    • Cory Vincent, you hit the nail right on the head with that one. A corporation owned by the foreign banks.

    • Gov is the problem hurr durr.

    • Cory Vincent America. Love it or leave it.

    • Arthur Dent All Bullshit. US government property now and before that Indian property.

    • ^ you should try reading what the constitution says about “US government property”. But the only part I think you read was about “general welfare”

    • JS Fardello Liberty? You mean their liberty to destroy my liberty? Because they are whacko about it?

    • Thom H. Pean Sr, Your post sums up your side nicely.

    • Can any of your Right Wingers tell me what Rights you’ve lost? Would you support them if they were minorities or Muslims?

    • Chris Aragon, Folks that play the “troll” card are simply intellectual midgets.

    • Brandon Manis, Don’t forget the Black Panthers in Oakland and Berkeley.

    • Thom H. Pean Sr, Santa Monica College? WTF?

    • Corey Ronson, Canada? Didn’t you folks just elect Trudeau? LOL

  • deleting comments? later free though project

    • I think the OP deleted his own comments when everybody made him eat his own words

  • deleting comments? later free though project

    • I think the OP deleted his own comments when everybody made him eat his own words

  • everyone is intiltle to there own beleafs.

  • everyone is intiltle to there own beleafs.

  • I support all efforts to resist the government.

  • I support all efforts to resist the government.

  • Same ideology as isis,,,Alqida. ..

  • Same ideology as isis,,,Alqida. ..

  • The demands or grievances the militia are expressing are reasonable and legitimate in the context of the system of a Constitution, federal government and local government. I’m not naive enough to expect reason and legitimacy being victorious in USA. Whenever USA federal or local extortionists (governments) are confronted with reason and legitimacy, they start threatening, incarcerating and mass killing.

  • The demands or grievances the militia are expressing are reasonable and legitimate in the context of the system of a Constitution, federal government and local government. I’m not naive enough to expect reason and legitimacy being victorious in USA. Whenever USA federal or local extortionists (governments) are confronted with reason and legitimacy, they start threatening, incarcerating and mass killing.

  • Where are the drones when you need them.???

  • Where are the drones when you need them.???

  • I hope not. I hope they come out guns ablazing and a good ole white boy shoot out happens. The less of these nuts exist, the better.

    • I hope your kind die off.

    • We will all die off. You will too.

    • You’re right about that. What you’re wrong about is living as a slave and calling those standing up to their slave owners “nuts”

    • You are offending the true slaves. These whiny bitches arent slaves. They are moochers. Receiving government hand outs paid by my taxes then bitching about how much they arent getting. GTFOH.

    • Im praying for an earth quake or a polar vortex to slam that area. Anything to be done with these jokers.

    • You have no clue what you’re talking about. Debt slaves exist. I never compared debt slaves to African slaves. Funny how if you watch anything Ammon Bundy has said, or anything the oath Keepers have said, they are universal in saying they want a peaceful ending by having the government give back the land they stole unconstitutionally.

      You wishing death on these people only shows your true moral standing. You’re no different than ISIS – believe what I believe or die.

    • Ok. Sure.

    • You must be one of those God fearing Christians. Right? Worst kind of hypocrites.

    • hey moron .. yeah gastelum .. you .. the black panthers took over a governmnet building armed and lived … your entire narrative is one of prejudice and ignorance

    • you forgot the white families in waco … you forgot all the ranchers / farmers that have done this in the past and died …. thge people putting the food in the grocery store for your ignorant ass to eat…

    • You mean the Davidians were farmers??? Oh ok. Moron. And my people pick your goddamned vegetables to put on your table. You slave master. The Panthers are decendants of slaves and have every right to challenge the government for all the atrocities done to them by your people. And still you kill them as if they were still your property you cracker. Yes you are a cracker. These bogus “militias” are nothing but a bunch of whiny bitches. Once again a bunch of whiny bitches. Kinda like you Corey Ronson and this nut Mike (Ass. )Bass.

    • You’re a piece of shit.

    • You should heed your own posts.

    • Here we go. Reading through my personal things. Is that all you bullies know how to do? Wow.

    • Get over it people. I dont agree with you and i have an opinion on it.

  • I hope not. I hope they come out guns ablazing and a good ole white boy shoot out happens. The less of these nuts exist, the better.

    • I hope your kind die off.

    • We will all die off. You will too.

    • You’re right about that. What you’re wrong about is living as a slave and calling those standing up to their slave owners “nuts”

    • You are offending the true slaves. These whiny bitches arent slaves. They are moochers. Receiving government hand outs paid by my taxes then bitching about how much they arent getting. GTFOH.

    • Im praying for an earth quake or a polar vortex to slam that area. Anything to be done with these jokers.

    • You have no clue what you’re talking about. Debt slaves exist. I never compared debt slaves to African slaves. Funny how if you watch anything Ammon Bundy has said, or anything the oath Keepers have said, they are universal in saying they want a peaceful ending by having the government give back the land they stole unconstitutionally.

      You wishing death on these people only shows your true moral standing. You’re no different than ISIS – believe what I believe or die.

    • Ok. Sure.

    • You must be one of those God fearing Christians. Right? Worst kind of hypocrites.

    • hey moron .. yeah gastelum .. you .. the black panthers took over a governmnet building armed and lived … your entire narrative is one of prejudice and ignorance

    • you forgot the white families in waco … you forgot all the ranchers / farmers that have done this in the past and died …. thge people putting the food in the grocery store for your ignorant ass to eat…

    • You mean the Davidians were farmers??? Oh ok. Moron. And my people pick your goddamned vegetables to put on your table. You slave master. The Panthers are decendants of slaves and have every right to challenge the government for all the atrocities done to them by your people. And still you kill them as if they were still your property you cracker. Yes you are a cracker. These bogus “militias” are nothing but a bunch of whiny bitches. Once again a bunch of whiny bitches. Kinda like you Corey Ronson and this nut Mike (Ass. )Bass.

    • You’re a piece of shit.

    • You should heed your own posts.

    • Here we go. Reading through my personal things. Is that all you bullies know how to do? Wow.

    • Get over it people. I dont agree with you and i have an opinion on it.

  • No, there never is when you take up arms against your Government. Personally I think the Bundy clan are freeloaders or what I call welfare ranchers, there’s a ton’s of these type who hate big Government but are there with their hands out wanting farming and ranching subsistence payments. The County I live in here in Colorado is Red as Red and just about every farmer and rancher is on subsistence of one kind or another. The truth hurts.

  • No, there never is when you take up arms against your Government. Personally I think the Bundy clan are freeloaders or what I call welfare ranchers, there’s a ton’s of these type who hate big Government but are there with their hands out wanting farming and ranching subsistence payments. The County I live in here in Colorado is Red as Red and just about every farmer and rancher is on subsistence of one kind or another. The truth hurts.

  • Civil war and or revolution is coming, are you ready?

  • Civil war and or revolution is coming, are you ready?

  • It’s crazy how people come here for free thought but refuse to contribute any. They sit here posting comments like “bomb these guys” and “send in the Feds” because the last article free thought project posted on this subject was actually bashing the bundys and referenced the oath keepers and the 3 percenters (not sure what “credible” militias are doing on Facebook anyways) as militias that were more credible than the bundys and both groups were actually denouncing the bundys for what they are doing. Now they post an article completely contradicting the latter post on the subject. And now in the comments you get to see a mix of people who got their first bit of information on the subject from free thought; which subsequently pitted them against the bundys. Now free thought posts an article in support of the bundys cause and these ppl have refused to accept new information for them to consider and continue to scream ignorantly for death upon the bundys. This is what happens when neither the source or reader feel like doing any research on the subject and just believe whatever they hear first. The vast majority of idiots commenting on this do not seem to realize that this has been affecting the Hammond family since the 1960s. You also don’t seem to acknowledge the fact that the federal govt cannot own and control land in such fashions as it has according to the constitution. You all seem to ignore these facts. And you all seem to have an issue with American citizens being armed, but have no problem calling in the Feds who are far more lethally armed. Do you hear yourselves? And no, calling you guys idiots isn’t a liberal tactic used when somebody loses an argument when you’re actually being idiots and refusing to accept facts and do your own independent research. Stop blindly following everything you’re told to like a bunch of statists

  • It’s crazy how people come here for free thought but refuse to contribute any. They sit here posting comments like “bomb these guys” and “send in the Feds” because the last article free thought project posted on this subject was actually bashing the bundys and referenced the oath keepers and the 3 percenters (not sure what “credible” militias are doing on Facebook anyways) as militias that were more credible than the bundys and both groups were actually denouncing the bundys for what they are doing. Now they post an article completely contradicting the latter post on the subject. And now in the comments you get to see a mix of people who got their first bit of information on the subject from free thought; which subsequently pitted them against the bundys. Now free thought posts an article in support of the bundys cause and these ppl have refused to accept new information for them to consider and continue to scream ignorantly for death upon the bundys. This is what happens when neither the source or reader feel like doing any research on the subject and just believe whatever they hear first. The vast majority of idiots commenting on this do not seem to realize that this has been affecting the Hammond family since the 1960s. You also don’t seem to acknowledge the fact that the federal govt cannot own and control land in such fashions as it has according to the constitution. You all seem to ignore these facts. And you all seem to have an issue with American citizens being armed, but have no problem calling in the Feds who are far more lethally armed. Do you hear yourselves? And no, calling you guys idiots isn’t a liberal tactic used when somebody loses an argument when you’re actually being idiots and refusing to accept facts and do your own independent research. Stop blindly following everything you’re told to like a bunch of statists

  • Looks like we have a mexican standoff on our hands. The authorities are aimed at the occupation. The occupation is aimed at the authorities. The oath keepers are aiming at both

  • Looks like we have a mexican standoff on our hands. The authorities are aimed at the occupation. The occupation is aimed at the authorities. The oath keepers are aiming at both

  • Yes… because only #whitepeopleproblems are worthy of revolution.

    • That’s just a stupid fucking statement.

    • Mike Bass Is it? We have Occupy and police violence protests, all summarily dismissed by conservative whites, while here we have a bunch of cheapskates refusing to pay a fee to the rest of us to use our land, and suddenly it’ll be civil war. Right…

  • Yes… because only #whitepeopleproblems are worthy of revolution.

    • That’s just a stupid fucking statement.

    • Mike Bass Is it? We have Occupy and police violence protests, all summarily dismissed by conservative whites, while here we have a bunch of cheapskates refusing to pay a fee to the rest of us to use our land, and suddenly it’ll be civil war. Right…

  • Fuck yeah there will be the feds dont want to Waco these people because if they do shits going to hit the fan their heavily armed and Americans are watching this isn’t the 90s and they can’t get away with murdering these people

  • Fuck yeah there will be the feds dont want to Waco these people because if they do shits going to hit the fan their heavily armed and Americans are watching this isn’t the 90s and they can’t get away with murdering these people

  • waco was some serious gov abuse of power and many innocents were tortured and murdered..and no one went to jail. this could have been done a lot easier and safer.

  • waco was some serious gov abuse of power and many innocents were tortured and murdered..and no one went to jail. this could have been done a lot easier and safer.

  • Here’s the thing militias, no one takes you clowns seriously, you’re a joke. You’re a bunch of semi morons running around with guns, little men with small brains. No one is afraid of you, all you deserve is mockery and derision.

  • Here’s the thing militias, no one takes you clowns seriously, you’re a joke. You’re a bunch of semi morons running around with guns, little men with small brains. No one is afraid of you, all you deserve is mockery and derision.

  • Typical liberal statist…..

  • Typical liberal statist…..

  • Yeah..right!!..bring it on dipsticks!!

  • Yeah..right!!..bring it on dipsticks!!

  • I sure hope it ends without death. It certainly is unnecessary and would lend credence to the occupier’s claims. If we just ignore them eventually they’ll cease and desist.

  • I sure hope it ends without death. It certainly is unnecessary and would lend credence to the occupier’s claims. If we just ignore them eventually they’ll cease and desist.

  • Brian Clasing

  • Brian Clasing

  • Cops only kill unarmed black children. They aren’t brave enough to earn their paycheck

  • Cops only kill unarmed black children. They aren’t brave enough to earn their paycheck

  • I’ll be on the feds side.

    • And millions will be on the side of the People.

    • And 100s of millions on the feds side. These moronic ranchers are in affect welfare queens. You should read the subsidies these lazy assholes get. And they want more. Fuck em. I hope the feds blow them away.

    • Welfare queens. Must be a Bernie supporter.

    • I love how conservatives ignore facts to align themselves with an idea that doesn’t work or exist.

  • I’ll be on the feds side.

    • And millions will be on the side of the People.

    • And 100s of millions on the feds side. These moronic ranchers are in affect welfare queens. You should read the subsidies these lazy assholes get. And they want more. Fuck em. I hope the feds blow them away.

    • Welfare queens. Must be a Bernie supporter.

    • I love how conservatives ignore facts to align themselves with an idea that doesn’t work or exist.

  • Who cares. Just ignore them and watch them implode. They will end their little camping trip when no one is watching. Or, hold their ground so long that they turn on each other.

    • How about I come take your land and your house… And then we can see how you feel about it.

    • These idiots took a federal wildlife preserve. Not someone’s land. It’s a cry for attention.

  • Who cares. Just ignore them and watch them implode. They will end their little camping trip when no one is watching. Or, hold their ground so long that they turn on each other.

    • How about I come take your land and your house… And then we can see how you feel about it.

    • These idiots took a federal wildlife preserve. Not someone’s land. It’s a cry for attention.

  • They’re rednecks with guns and a lack of a healthy intelligence. So no there will be no peaceful solution.

    • Rednecks? Those cats have way more fucking money than you do, and are a hell of a lot smarter – clearly.

    • Awwww, my comment upset the supporting yokels. 😂😂

    • And matt, the amount of money they have, doesn’t mean they’re somehow superior in intellect. This is America, any moron can make big bucks. Look at all the idiot celebrities and “athletes”.

  • They’re rednecks with guns and a lack of a healthy intelligence. So no there will be no peaceful solution.

    • Rednecks? Those cats have way more fucking money than you do, and are a hell of a lot smarter – clearly.

    • Awwww, my comment upset the supporting yokels. 😂😂

    • And matt, the amount of money they have, doesn’t mean they’re somehow superior in intellect. This is America, any moron can make big bucks. Look at all the idiot celebrities and “athletes”.

  • No, not another “Waco”. There had better be a peaceful solution. Social media would not ignore another “Waco”.

  • No, not another “Waco”. There had better be a peaceful solution. Social media would not ignore another “Waco”.

  • this is just one tiny example of the evil shit that the government does :O they also steal kids from the CPS :O put people in private prisons for smoking a medicinal plant :O add carcinogens to cigarettes :O spray us with chem-trails :O feed GMOs to our babies :O fluoridate our drinking water :O send our people to die for corporation wars for the 1% with our soldiers committing suicide at a rate of 22 per day :O deny us proper medicine while letting big pharma makes billions of us :O…i can continue & source every claim i have made … but anyone dumb enough to not realize the Bundees r doing goode will not read them anyway

    • they’re also flooding the streets of more than one country with heroin from stolen opium fields in Afghanistan

    • And eating out our substance.

  • this is just one tiny example of the evil shit that the government does :O they also steal kids from the CPS :O put people in private prisons for smoking a medicinal plant :O add carcinogens to cigarettes :O spray us with chem-trails :O feed GMOs to our babies :O fluoridate our drinking water :O send our people to die for corporation wars for the 1% with our soldiers committing suicide at a rate of 22 per day :O deny us proper medicine while letting big pharma makes billions of us :O…i can continue & source every claim i have made … but anyone dumb enough to not realize the Bundees r doing goode will not read them anyway

    • they’re also flooding the streets of more than one country with heroin from stolen opium fields in Afghanistan

    • And eating out our substance.

  • let us go Waco…and no civil war…that is like saying the sky is falling…have fun.

  • let us go Waco…and no civil war…that is like saying the sky is falling…have fun.

  • Don’t make us fight ur white civil war , u take that shit back to Eurasia

  • Don’t make us fight ur white civil war , u take that shit back to Eurasia

  • Please learn the difference between Revolution and Civil War.

  • Please learn the difference between Revolution and Civil War.

  • If you don’t know what’s going on with your government take the time to educate yourselves instead of being hoodwinked and bamboozled by the two party lies,that operates like a double sided coin,in the end we all loose as a people and as a nation,while the 1%ers continue to leech this country dry.

  • If you don’t know what’s going on with your government take the time to educate yourselves instead of being hoodwinked and bamboozled by the two party lies,that operates like a double sided coin,in the end we all loose as a people and as a nation,while the 1%ers continue to leech this country dry.

  • Your government is compromised by big corporate lobbyists groups who funds politicians campaign trials for special interests favors,until Americans become politically educated on this,the problem will only continue to be a conflict of interests. So either fix it or continue to loss rights and subjected to fascism regime changes.

    • Your government begs to be compromised. Its a “chicken or egg” kind of thing. The only solution is reducing government to reduce the inevitable corruption.

    • I think Bernie may be an exception.

  • You too?

  • Finally…we approach VIOLENT Civil War. About fucking time.

  • Please talk about immigration
    Tell him no more promise
    Time to fix immigration they started tearing up families

    Yes I will vote for Bernie but address this !!!

    As of January 2 ice police is everywhere and nobody has our representatives has called Obama !!!

    We Hispanic help him win
    Which no one talks about!!!

    No more promise!!

    I pay so much taxes
    For rich people’s war
    I rather spend it on humans

    Mexico don’t ship people this way
    And Mexicans are not the only family they are tearing apart.

    What do you this those new orphans will do in the future with their lives or even to society
    We are probably building the next generation of killer or terrorist
    We are building them!!!

    No more promises
    Find a solution now

    No more promises!!!!

  • Please talk about immigration
    Tell him no more promise
    Time to fix immigration they started tearing up families

    Yes I will vote for Bernie but address this !!!

    As of January 2 ice police is everywhere and nobody has our representatives has called Obama !!!

    We Hispanic help him win
    Which no one talks about!!!

    No more promise!!

    I pay so much taxes
    For rich people’s war
    I rather spend it on humans

    Mexico don’t ship people this way
    And Mexicans are not the only family they are tearing apart.

    What do you this those new orphans will do in the future with their lives or even to society
    We are probably building the next generation of killer or terrorist
    We are building them!!!

    No more promises
    Find a solution now

    No more promises!!!!

  • i truly feel that if either hiliary or trump get elected, there will be a revolution. its no longer a matter of if, but of when.

  • Please just think before you make any move, Is it worth the fight for YOUR Government who is showing you they do not care for you or anyone who is willing to die for their country… Really what has the Government really did for you besides lie about how good it well be when you hit 65 that you will never have to worry about it, That is all bull crap and you should be ask the one who have fought in the wars already and they can tell you more, My dad fought in world war 2 and from his own words were don’t believe everthing or word the Government says because most of it is lie, they tell you they well take care of you after the war is over and that is a bunch of bull crap. You travel the world all at the government cost and your family well be taken carry off when you go to fought for your country but what he didn’t tell you was once your die, they won’t have to worry about you or your family so before you go to war ask your Government to give you the paperwork saying that you and your family will be taken care of after you’re gone then once you get this paperwork send a copy to your family letting them know what the deal is if you should die, Remember these words” never trust anyone” that don’t believe in GOD

  • Lot of liberals ..I can’t weight to see you get you some refugees… And let’s see your beautiful, feds protect you…he he he.

  • JS man go back to playing call of duty and take your meds now

  • Don’t threaten me with a good time.

  • Apparently this Stuart Roads is not too smart or lacking in information. What oath is that again? This is all about Federal Bureaucrats who think they have the ultimate power.
    Abolish the BLM and it all goes away until those bureaucrats find other jobs in Federal Government. Then they will find something else to be stupid about. Fire all there asses.

  • The GOP should carpet bomb them!

  • Civil war? Nah. Next time, bring your own damn snacks and don’t ask for handouts

  • Drone them.

  • Civil war is not a 200 inbred hicks vs the government you know?

  • initial cleanse of govt?

  • Civil war?? Good luck with that

  • As long as the Feds do not initiate force there will be peace, BUT the Feds only know how to use force – that is why they must be eliminated.

  • I hope not, I want those terrorists to suffer.

  • many ways to end this nonviolently ..isolate them. Keep others from arriving..many are on disability and ill … Their funds come from out of state. Cut them off… even prescriptions cannot be filled out of state.. there was at least one who was picked up on parole violation. cancel debit cards etc…Use a fireplane from fighting forest fires to water drop ..creates anice ice castle. When they go on supply run let them go and spend money then not allow them to return.

  • nope look what happen the the native Americans who were there before the feds came and killed them for it,took it and murdered many

  • Sick of the BS going on?? A free world is waiting for those in need. The technology is here now to supply the necessities we need to survive, we only have to create this free world. Out with the old and in with the new. Its time for change. Join this group to be part of the change>https://www.facebook.com/groups/265603456982790/ .

  • A civil war is what America needs, to get rid of all those corrupted old bastard’s in power at the moment

  • Well, this bunch wants a fight, give it to them.. it’s the least we can do..

  • Oathkeepers,,, FYI Game of Thrones Season 6 does not start until April,,, if you have a grievance with the government take it to court, that is what they are there for.

    • You mean the courts run by the same government they are standing up against? The same courts that sentenced the hammonds twice under a law for terrorists? Seems legit.

    • Mike Bass Yea I mean those,, the means never justify the end, the end is justified by the means.

    • Mike Bass Sorry my bad miss typed,, I meant the end never justify the means, the means justify the end…

  • oh fuck them too

  • Thw whole thing is stupid.

  • this has gone on too long. these drugstore cowboys need to be corralled and put into the hoosegow for a long time.

    • Yes you are right. All of the BLM needs to be in the hoosegow.

  • Ruby ridge as well

  • Well, for starters, at least we don’t have, “Jackboot Janet” Reno in charge. Near as I can figure, the only reason she didn’t go to prison, is she knew just how , and where, to lick Hillary…..

  • The media attention lavished on these goons seemingly justifies their actions – ignore them or it’ll keep happening.

  • They dam well better stand down and stay that way or else. Government must be removed by force and violence and replaced. No execptions exist!

  • So a bunch of clowns with guns will leave their jobs, if they have jobs to go protect a bunch of armed unemployed losers that took over a public park??

  • Terrorist threats. Let’s deal with them now before they get worse.

    • Let’s – meaning let us. You 1st.

  • Yes

  • Many more that you might guess are expecting a revolt.

  • Annnnnndddd,what did the stinking feds and the fascist cops do to # Occupy?….people who were standing up against the US government enabled MASSIVE society changing FRAUD of Wallstreet banks?…where were the Oath keepers then?…so,if a righting government is in power,are these “protectors of the constitution going to stand up against tyranny?…or is it only for right wing,white constitutionalists…

    • That’s bullshit. Oath keepers were on the ground at occupy, Ferguson and other places. This isn’t a race issue – it’s a divide and conquer issue.

    • OWS was its own worst enemy. It started out with a very legitimate grievance. Hence the name Occupy WALL STREET. Protesting the criminal activities of big banks, big government and their incestuous relationship was a good thing, with a chance for broad public support..
      Then, it lost focus and became a massive clearing house for every nutty leftist cause on the planet. Very tragic to see it unravel like that.

    • Here is the difference Cory.. MOST of the occupiers did not even have a clue of WHY they were there. The had a good cause until it turned into a liberal, group think orgy to rage against Capitalism, which is not the problem.

    • if Oath keepers were there,they were NOT there to support #Occupy…and in Ferguson,they for sure we’re NOT there to support the protesters…

    • Well,you are both welcome to your opinions…I disagree…however it is more then likely that any protest movement that comes from the left will not be legitimate to those on the right and vise versa…#Occupy accomplished many important things and it’s influence on the subjects of Wallstreet criminality in collusion with the government,corrupt corporate power,the 1% and income inequality still rings true today…#Occupy was not only country wide but,in other countries as well…so,yes maybe it because diluted by its sheer mass and for sure the Democratic establishment Co opted many of its positions to hood wing the populace into support…but,it was that same establishment…working FOR the 1%,their corporatocracy and Wallstreet who violently tore down the movement,employed entrapment and agent provocateurs and agrees I’ve police tactics to tear it down…just look at how long it took the media to even mention the movement…

    • Reminder how the tea party movement started and how fast that was Co opted and corrupted into something totally different?

    • Mike Bass On the side of the cops. I think you missed the point.

    • Cory Vincent The Tea Party is a wholly funded Koch brother operation that got out of hand.

    • Well,there was something before the Kochs

    • Being that the Oath keepers are made up of cops and soldiers

    • Nobody like Ray Kelly

  • They just made an oath. Let’s see if they keep it.

  • No. Not divisive enough..

    The problem they have is the unifying factor..

    Unified white ‘militia’ will cause a trickledown effect that will unite the next majority of ‘militia’ in the Black community; unified gangs..

    Trickle down until their are several race based unified factions..

    Unite the factions & you have a civil war of us against the government..

    Divide the factions & they will fight each other leaving the real enemy in peace..

    Division is what drives their thoughts; our division is their security

  • One that will last three seconds

  • get the word outlet it grow tell every one the truthabout whats happening

  • about time the people called them out!

  • Yes

  • They are white and Christian they will be fine

    • So you only support people standing up to tyranny if they are a minority?

    • I don’t support anyone who takes the law into there own hands

  • Yes.., It could..

  • lmfao. waco the shit out of those fucking hillbillies…

  • NO, because the Government would have to admit to Fraud , and they’re not going to do that ever.

  • Oh just go ahead and put a Waco/Move on them…enough already.

  • The Free Thought Project’s posts sure do draw in the most utterly ignorant un intelligent trolls, and indoctrinated dumbed down idiots. Especially when the posts pertain to events such as that foreign bank backed UNITED STATES corporation’s non governmental agencies like the BLM, and it’s un Constitutional and un Lawful criminal actions perpetrated on the men and women living on the Land of the once great Constitutional Republic, which was usurped by the foreign parasitic psychopaths with their phony fiat currency monetary system and that fukin fraudulent LEGAL system owned and run by those banks and that foreign and private non governmental organization called the BAR ASSOCIATION. Any of you fukin trolls or ignorant fuks want to learn something for the first time in your miserable lives ? Then read this over and educate yourselves on who you are, and what you are PRESUMED to be by that corporation and it’s ignorant criminal non Constitutional abiding Federal employees. Good God, it’s like trying to talk to a bunch of ignorant little brainwashed children throwing sand in each others faces while they’re shittin their pants sitting in the sand box.

  • I think there can be, but thats up to Uncle Sam and his boys. People don’t go looking to get the Feds on you, the Feds have a way of finding you.

  • 95 Bravo

  • We can only hope & pray!!!!

  • as a veteran an oath keeper and a patriot let me say that if it comes to it, yes there will be a civil uprising. But after reading the comments here I can see that its not just a corrupt govt we will be dealing with but some absolutely ignorant people who are to blind to see the truth or to simple minded and lazy to do their own research on what is really happening in this country……

    • You are correct. Hitler would’ve been completely powerless without all of his “order followers” and bootlickers.

    • hey Mike, it just amazes me that people will get on here and extoll the virtues of this admin all the while being completely blind to what is really happening, this country was built on free thought and they have managed to become completely oblivious to the truth. Funny how getting hooked up to that govt teat shuts down their ability to form an origional thought, and thats just what the govt wants, mindless minions that follow orders……sad

    • Yeah. It’s getting pretty scary seeing the building fervor of state worship.

  • Civil war huh? How many people do you have hardass? You realize the government has weapons you’ve never seen? What about drone tech that they only have? It’s pretty clear they know how to use that. And the black community with the small percentage who may back what these fools are doing the large majority are pissed that they haven’t killed them all. Government is the problem and racist white rich people run everything. That really isn’t a secret or some conspiracy anymore. This is the world we live in, almost 300 year since our origin. all this shit world wide is going on all of us, the peasants, are constantly fighting. Jobs are non existent especially in the hood and people continue to rack up debt no matter their color for a job they have a good chance of never getting. All the while broke mother fuckers continue to agree with the idea that the hardest worker gets the farthest. If you want help from the government that is supposed to work for you then you a lazy person. It’s wild how in 2016 things will not get more cloudy.

  • isn’t it called a Revolution when the war is against the empire?

  • cattle ranchers are cunts

  • hahaha, like they’d ever have the balls XDDDDD

  • If they start a war, hopefully they will all be killed.

  • I just wish they would leave that wonderful bird refuge alone. Why are rancher people such rednecks?

  • So what is the government going to do, let them stay like they did with Bundy and waste Taxpayers Money on overtime for the Federal Agents watching both camps?

  • What I want to know is:Are they Irish or Italian or jewish…..Back ground people????

  • Shoot those [email protected]’n Red-Necks..!!! You’d shoot them if they were all Black..!!!!!

  • Can only hope and pray.

  • nite nite! time for you to go to prison and the those who aloud this!

  • The complete media blackout means if people knew you can take the power back with a gun, the zionist occupied government would cower in fear and run back to terrorist israel. No uniformed gang member of FBI/CIA terrorist wants to die for the facade of the system. It may all be a scam, but life is real and if you start taking theirs instead of them taking ours, things will change REAL quick.

  • Why won’t these “occupiers” just go home? It’s definitely time for people to start actively resisting the government, but this is the WRONG cause. Oathkeepers didn’t support this takeover because the family for whom the original protest was organized wants nothing to do with it. You don’t win any points by taking up the cause of a victim who does not want your help!

  • probably more to this story than will ever be known…

  • I’m somewhat pleased to see that the top comments have shifted from “Carpet Bomb these terrorists” to some legitimate critical thinking..

    I agree that if the Fed uses force and violence, we could very well see the likes of a civil war start. The only problem I have with this, is how many other, more crucial issues have warranted this type of civil response and we’ve seen nothing?

    Still, good to see that, in general, some understand solving problems created by the Gov, via appropriate Gov channels, is illogical.

  • I think I would have used Ruby Ridge as a better example. Whilst I don’t agree with the way the feds handled Waco… Koresh was a crazy SOB….

  • If you think someone has done you wrong, it is your right to stand and and fight, and die if necessary. However this is a democracy, if the majority of the people do not agree with you, suck it up buttercup. These are not patriots, these are not soldiers or they would be trying to occupy a military base. These men are simply having a temper tantrum. If this goes on much more they will become terrorists. They will never fight straight up they are to few in numbers. They will hide in the shadows and start blowing thing, and people up. Put down your guns, go home. If you don’t like the law, then try to convince enough people to vote with you to change the law. If you can’t, oh well, its that pesky little word again “Democracy”.

  • Honestly, I really hope they’re right. I hope that if the government exacts force against them, that 100,000,000 armed citizens take over the government. What we are living is not life and it’s largely because of the greed and evil inherent in a handful of families worldwide.

  • The “there will be civil war” rhetoric is tired, overused and absolutely absurd when it comes to the United States. Not going to happen.

  • Oath Keepers should not support terrorist in Oregon.

  • Yes, once they run out of fritos….. & the governments cuts off their subsidies & welfare they collect

  • I believe the corruption rampant in the government and it’s bureaucracies will be then largest determining factor.

  • He warns the Federal Government. .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO .LMAO

  • eventually they’ll all get tired of being ignored…even when they come out with this kind of threatening nonsense to stay relevant

  • Was the last revolution peaceful..?

  • The Feds will bend over backwards not to push the issue. They will be given every consideration to give the place up.

  • NO

  • peaceful resolution is possible

  • Look up Executive Order 13603 Signed by Obama in 2012…and you will have all the answers you need…! I was born in America and then America DIED…!

  • No because all they have to do is wait them out theyre already cold and hungry eventually they will just leave

  • i am all for a revolution in this country. just not one started by bigots.

  • They say they don’t want it when actually that is what they want. They are playing what the system wants without realizing it. When it happens the government clamp will come down on everyone. Really want to know who paid them to do this. That’s right who paid them!

  • Oh, we know what’s comming

  • Kill them

  • I don’t trust the Oath Keepers but they are correct to draw a correlation to Waco.

    • At least the Oath Keepers wouldn’t take any interest in my personal business. I’m not against them necessarily but I’m not entirely sure their motivations are as benevolent as some believe

  • I believe if the feds don’t feel this to be an issue worth knocking out right away they should arm and allow the AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT to deal with them.

  • Shoot Bundy militia in the legs.

  • No,the government is watching and gathering info.Once this is done an example must be made.It would not surprise me if the government is somehow behind the whole incident.

  • The government is not afraid of civil war,it is prepared and would use it as an example,label it as terrorism,and use it to take away more of our rights…..to keep us safe

  • We need Janet Reno now more than ever!