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Police Admit Officers May Also Be Responsible For Gunning Down Orlando Nightclub Patrons

Orlando, FL – New details have emerged that may shed more light on the extreme casualty count in the Orlando nightclub killings. On Monday, Orlando Police Chief John Mina intimated that some of the victims may have been killed by officers trying to perform a rescue operation.

“I will say this, that’s all part of the investigation,” Mina said. “But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall, and they were being fired upon.”

A confidential law enforcement source close to the investigation said a crowd of up to 300 people within the club — combined with the complex layout of the structure — may have resulted in numerous patrons being struck by gunfire from officers, according to WFAA-ABC 8.

Mina stood by his decision to employ a tactical strike amidst the rising likelihood that a number of the dead were the result of “friendly fire” from officers.

“It was a hard decision to make, but it was the right decision,” he said. “Our No. 1 priority is on saving lives, and it was the right decision to make.”

Details of the investigation are a being pieced together by local, federal and state investigators, as they continue to process the gruesome scene from a number of law enforcement mobile command units.

Authorities have determined that Mateen, 29, walked to the club at 2:02 a.m. armed with a semi-automatic long rifle and a Glock handgun.

An off-duty police officer working security at the club was outside investigating an underage drinker when he heard gunshots inside the club. The off-duty officer then proceeded to run inside the club and exchange gunfire with Mateen, with three additional officers soon arriving to back up the off-duty cop, law enforcement sources told WFAA-ABC 8. As the officers fired at Mateen, he retreated into a bathroom toward the rear of the club with a number of hostages.

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“Those additional officers made entry while the suspect was shooting,” Mina said. “They forced him to stop shooting and retreat to the bathroom where we believe he had several hostages.”

While in the bathroom Mateen called 911 three times, pledging his allegiance to the Islamic State during one of the calls, although currently he has no known affiliation with any specific terrorist group. Mateen has been linked with American suicide bomber Moner Abu-Salha — who drove 16 tons of explosives into a Syrian government facility on behalf of Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front in late May of that year. The men had also attended the same Eastern Florida mosque.

It has since come to light that he was a regular at the gay club, which raises serious questions about the credibility of his Islamist “terrorist” connection, and raises the possibility that Mateen suffered from severe identity issues that manifested in violence. The FBI confirmed that Mateen had been on their radar and had been interviewed on 3 separate occasions.

“He was in one bathroom fortified with hostages,” Mina said. “There were people in the opposing bathroom, about 15 or 20 people. And the details are unknown, they’re part of the investigation.”

Orlando police crisis negotiators that spoke with Mateen said he remained calm during the talks, but that he intimated that he intended to kill more people, Mina said.

“Based off statements made by the suspect and based on information we received by the suspect and from the hostages and the people inside,” Mina said, “we believe further loss of life was imminent. I made the decision to commence the rescue operation and do the explosive breach.”

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The SWAT team attempted to topple the exterior wall leading to the bathroom that held 15 to 20 people, but failed, so Mina decided to use a Bearcat to break a hole in the wall. The vehicle rammed the wall, creating a small opening — about 3 feet wide and 2 feet off the ground — that captives could use to escape.

“We were able to rescue dozens and dozens of people who came out of that wall,” Mina said. “The suspect came out of that hole himself with a handgun and a long gun and engaged in a gunbattle with officers where he was ultimately killed.”

Mateen engaged officers immediately, striking one of them in his helmet, as officers returned fire striking the assailant several times.

The exterior concrete wall where the siege occurred is dotted with dozens of bullet holes, evidence of a shootout that included dozens of rounds fired by officers that likely hit and killed many hostages.

The final exchange of gunfire Mateen had with law enforcement occurred at 5 a.m., ending the three-hour ordeal. Officers then walked into the nightclub and found the dead bodies of club patrons strewn about the club, with more bodies found in a nearby bathroom.

There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”.

Jay Syrmopoulos is a political analyst, free thinker, researcher, and ardent opponent of authoritarianism. He is currently a graduate student at University of Denver pursuing a masters in Global Affairs. Jay’s work has been published on Ben Swann’s Truth in Media, Truth-Out, Raw Story, MintPress News, as well as many other sites. You can follow him on Twitter @sirmetropolis, on Facebook at Sir Metropolis and now on tsu.
  • john smith

    swat teams are responsible for cleaning up the scene the fbi created

    • Prince

      Where’d they put all dead bodies?

      • john smith

        wut?
        the swat teams have been proven to be the real killers in these false flags..so ummm they did not put them anywhere

        • Prince

          Just wondering, as I didn’t see any footage of mass bodies being loaded into hearses.

  • Mighty-Morphin Larry

    only time will tell…

  • mrshouse

    Why won’t we find out? Can’t they tell from the bullets used to kill the victims?

    • Matthew Shapiro

      The forensic examination and reconstruction will most definitely determine which rounds were fired by police vs. terrorist, even if it is not possible to identify the particular officer who fired each shot.

      • Sangreaal

        They would be able to tell which gun fired what bullet via the rifling signature, so sure, they can indeed find out which officer fired the shot.

        • Anon22385

          lol, all of the bullets fired by the officers will be found to be “significantly damaged as to prohibit accurate analysis” …

          • 2broke4 her

            exactly, and the rounds would go through most people if not all of them, unless damaged by ricocheting off something and stayed intact in the victim, then too distorted to pin point which cop..imagine a cop being told he/she killed several people.. that should make his/her day!

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          • John Willis

            youre a whore ?

          • spg210

            The sarcasm was wasted on you.

          • spg210

            Rounds do NOT go through most people. Even at close range, unless a high powered weapon is being used. Even then the range is a deciding factor. Where did you even get that from?

          • 2broke4 her

            funny the ones i knew in Nam went through their bodies! A 22 magnum will go through a person unless it hits bone.. the .44 special Bulldog, i have the round travels around 850 fps, it wont go through a person unless the area is unobstructed and soft tissue.. a .45 Colt 875fps wont go through either.. a cop i know was shot with a .223 at about 150 feet away and it went clean through.. in reality it comes down the factors of ballistics and if the round is affected by an obstacle, as in Bone or soft tissue..

          • They may go through, but they may also turn, and fragment. There is some very dense, and hard tissue in humans, and also tissue that is very light.

          • benbernecky

            you’re overlooking the trail that is always left by the spent casings on the ground. How many of which caliber and their location gives a lot of clues as to how a shooting went down. If for instance they find 30 spend casings in the bar with the shooters firing pin “finger print” and other firearm indicatives like extractor marks etc. That’s why you always see spent casings designated wi5th a marker. The only problem, besides grief obviously, I have is the knee-jerk reaction to enact more inane stupid senseless gun laws that only disarm citizens of their 2nd amendment rights. You are supposed to have access “shall not be infringed” access to the heaviest firepower it takes to prevent your government from putting you into a FEMA camp. The 2nd amend. is NOT a duck-hunting right. Its for self protection. One person armed with a concealed gun would have made a world of difference and you ALL know it. CA just passed a pile of anti-gun, anti-citizen gun laws. One requires ALL parts of guns to have serial numbers? That’ll really make the jihadists think twice huh? We are not fighting a gun, we are at war with Islam jihadist which their Quran -only one- calls for all adherent’s to kill infidels- like myself. Good luck with that any of you jihadists out there. Molon Labe!

          • Tothe

            FMJ v. JHP? Do we know which bullets were used by either side yet?

          • 2broke4 her

            true

          • Jeremy Shives

            My rounds go through 250lb deer at well over 100 hundred yards. Since they haven’t yet released which MCX setup the guy had we don’t know if it was 5.56, 7.62, or 300 BLK. I can assure you that 7.62 and 300 BLK will def go through a human at close range.
            You have to remember though the officers who may have hit patrons fired through a concrete wall first so I would suspect those rounds would be pretty messed up prior to hitting club goers…

          • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

            of course.

      • Bill Garrett

        The shooter was using .223. The SWAT team was most likely using 5.56 NATO which fires the exact same bullet. Most likely 90% of the bullets fired that night were 77 grain Sierra Match King hollow point .223. Good luck guessing which rifle they came out of.

        • Friend of Tibet

          Even for 9mm the cops were most likely equipped with Glock pistols as well.

          • NortonSmitty

            Orlando issues .40 S&W.

        • Bill Garrett

          Looks like the reporting was wrong (really? the media calling a random rifle AR-15 because it was black and magazine fed?). If the shooter was using a Sig MCX then it would have been 300BLK rather than .223. LE may have been using 300BLK as well, but it was most likely 5.56.

        • benbernecky

          I seriously doubt they won’t be able to identify any bullet. If you believe that you do not know ballistics or what rounds police prefer/required to use in close encounters. A FMJ will usually get cleanly through a human without causing blood loss trauma. That is what kills is massive blood loss. That’s why anyone trained to use a gun shoot at the core of a human target -head included. At a distance as the 223/5.56 slows down it has time to mushroom and deform causing massive soft tissue damage but can still be survivable. At close range most high powered bullets do not have time to distort even hollow points that hit nothing solid .Been doing ordinance, and ballistics all my life kids.

    • katz ro

      yes they can and they should be forced to divulge that information

    • Exactly.

    • stubbikins

      They probably can’t tell if the bullet went all the way through

    • Friend of Tibet

      Both sides used .223/5.56mm ammunition during the attack. So we are talking about exact same bullets here.

      • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

        or so we’ve been told. (both sides using same ammo)

        • Friend of Tibet

          Police uses ar15 and Suspect used SIG MCX, both chambered in .223/5.56 NATO round. So yep……

      • Robert Karp

        No. The difference would be the the ones used by the terrorist was a hunting round and the bullet would perform differently from the rounds used by the police. The police rounds do less damage to the body, because the hunting round is designed to most assuredly kill it’s target. They both kill but you’re more likely to survive a police round because it doesn’t expand and splinter as much.

        • Friend of Tibet

          Gimme a break. Orlando shooter used a SIG MCX as primary weapon. It is a Tactical Semiautomatic rifle intended for LEO market. As someone who regular shoots ar15 with friends for .223/5.56 there are no so called “hunting round “and “Police round”. Both sides use off the shelf Ammunition and both sides used FMJ type ammunition. Police do not and will never choose ammunition of ” less damage to the body” on their duty rifle because they are looking at maximum stopping power.

      • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

        that’s what we’ve been told, kind of convenient, no?

        • Lily Munster

          They’re going to shut your theory down.

    • Tom Losh

      The active shooter and many of the police were using the same ammo – .223/5.56 – and at the distance they were firing from I suspect many/most of the bullets went right through the victim so all you have is a quarter inch entry wound and a larger exit wound with no hint of what weapon it came from…

    • The cartridges used may be the same as the M-16s used by the police. The rifling may be different, but high velocity rifle rounds often break up when hitting flesh, walls or floor at short range.

  • kat
    • Prince

      False Flag…

      • John J Publicus

        Oh fucking please! Get an education fool!

        • Prince

          Flagged for profanity, and not a false flag John J Publicus!

          • WestDetroitNigga

            Pussy

          • Mark Choi

            Can you be flagged for stupidity?

        • Bobby5939

          Perhaps you better open yours eyes son. The raw footage is everywhere of the errors they made. Education means nothing without common sense, and common sense would dictate if you are helping injured people that were shot in the club, they would be walking AWAY from the club, not towards it.

          You lose bucko.

          • John J Publicus

            Sure you would. Except for the hospital that’s two blocks away in that direction.

            Do you need to work hard to get to your level of batshit crazy or is it more something you’re born with?

          • kat

            So they carried everyone in the wrong direction first then they decided that the hospital was in the other direction so they turned around and started carrying people 4 blocks in the other direction. Is that correct? Where would ambulances be at this point? Or even police cars would be better then people carrying people with no blood what so ever on them…….

          • John J Publicus

            Go it. You need to work REALLY hard to reach your level of utter stupidity.

            Funny, I’d have thought it more of a calling….

          • kat

            The video’s are very clear, I’m not the utterly stupid one here. You and your actors failed to fool the public once again.

          • John J Publicus

            You’re cute!. Do you actually think I’m ‘debating’ you?

          • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

            Can you send me links to where I can see this footage? I haven’t seen it- or noticed the observations you noticed. But i did notice a lack of bodies.

          • Pist-Off
          • kat

            Go to youtube Orlando false flag and you will see many videos of mistakes they made while producing this false flag.

    • john smith

      wow good point

      • Mark Choi

        No, it’s not.

    • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

      excellent point.

      • Mark Choi

        No it’s not. Anyone who has ever gone to clubs that size knows full well what capacity they have. The idea that there could not have been 300+ patrons would only come from an ignoramus with no experience with matters at which he pretends expertise.

    • John Willis

      yaa like 300 plus fit in there no way

  • Rogue cops cost us money

    Bullshit It is called ballistic……..
    There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”. We may never know it depends on how FDLE does their job. Past performances dictate it will be a shit job, and all ballistics related information will be ignored tainted or covered up.

    • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

      Unfortunately, we will never know. Has our gov’t or any other governmental entity every admitted to fault or wrongdoing? (serious question) I mean even on a different scale hell- cops kill black kids in plain sight and not one has been charged/convicted.

  • Bob Btme

    Good thing law enforcement was focused on “underage drinking”

  • Andy Cripps

    Multiple shooters theory kind of proved, just not quite as the conspiracy theorists had imagined. All so tragic. I suppose a fast acting consciousness blocking gas canister through the hole created in the walls to subdue the shooter was out of the question, do they exist even?

    • spg210

      I guess that’s kind of like asking why didn’t the cop use his taser instead of shooting the suspect.

  • David Hall

    Cowards waited almost three hours to breech the bar and ended up killing probably 15-20 hostages. They will never release how many were killed by cops. 50 fucking people get killed and that one cop running around showing everyone he got shot in his kevlar helmut. Like anyone is worried about the little knick in his helmut, compared to over 100 people being shot.

    • Guy

      Easy enough for you to accuse people of cowardice as you sit safe, fuzzy and warm in your easy chair while, weekend quarterbacking of police who were trying to make safe almost 300 people from a deranged homicidal killer armed with a AR-15 type of assault rifle and a clock, who is shooting and killing people, in a very enclosed space with no rear exits !
      Be sure to let everyone know how you from your vast experience, would have done it differently to keep people from being hurt or killed, from sniper or friendly fire, in a situation that was changing from minute to minute.
      Guy’s like you, who take cheap shots, piss me off ! Easy enough for you to flap your opinion about it, as long as there is a captive audience ! But put your ass on the line were it counts, and you all become very quiet !

      • SexForUs

        There is no such thing as an assault rifle.

        An assault is an action.

        My fist is a weapon. Me throat punching you with it for being a fucking idiot, would be an assault.

        Guy’s like you talk a lot of shit defending people who did what was mentioned and yet, where is your fucking vast experience?

        • spg210

          “‘GUYS’ like you” I see what you did there.

        • John J Publicus

          The military themselves named this type of rifle an ‘assault’ rifle when it was developed around the time of Vietnam. It was developed to REPLACE a ‘wood’ rifle, the kind your type like to compare the AR-15 to (the rifle used was a ‘souped up’ version of an AR-15) and claim its ‘just like the other rifle, with different pajamas’ or some such shit.

          No morons, the military developed this weapon to REPLACE rifles like the Garrand specifically BECAUSE is performed better. Faster rate of fire, more reliable, larger magazines that are faster to load, lighter and changes very quickly. They also required a smaller, lighter round that would have the same or similar stopping power to the 30.xx cal that was in current use (they did this with added velocity). I’m actually paraphrasing the requirements that the armed services had developed for this weapon. The ‘auto fire’ feature was almost dropped and later modified to 3 round bursts for accuracy and because troops could not keep the weapon on target under auto fire. Different suppressor/compensator fixtures were later added to correct that.

          So you see, this rifle and all it’s variants were originally developed to do one thing, kill people, as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Nothing you ammosexuals say or do can change this history and frankly, the more you continue to padal this crappola, the more you will look like utter morons to anyone who actually KNOWS the development history of this weapon!

          • John Willis

            and the military designates that as a “select fire ” small arm ,,youre blowing smoke troll or youre chooomin

          • Orange lives matter

            I was an armorer in the army for many years. The m16 is not even a particularly powerful weapon. The m60 and the saw are extremely deadly weapons designed to kill as many as possible. The m16 is simply a rifle.
            Quit smoking your socks.

          • John J Publicus

            Yeah, not too bright are you?

        • benbernecky

          yes there are assault weapons, a 50 cal is most certainly an assault weapon. But since they are illegal -assault weapons that is -then when the media starts doing the AR-15 monkey dance and screaming assault weapons we all know what they’re trying to spite out is the term “semi-automatic rifle”, but assault weapon sounds more dramatic, to hell with truthful accurate journalism. it all went out with the ol “untouchable” supreme court. Rights judge Roberts?

          • SexForUs

            FDR’s NFA of 1934 already requires machine guns to be heavily taxed, highly regulated and registered with the federal government but it isn’t an assault weapon.

            An assault is an action and regarding the Jackals in Black Robes, I’ll refer to Thomas Jefferson’s take on that Bench of Control Freaks.

            homas Jefferson strongly opposed the doctrine of judicial review, and
            feared it would lead to “judicial despotism,” an opinion he voiced
            often.

            Jefferson wrote to Abigail Adams (wife of former President John Adams) in 1804:

            “The Constitution… meant that its coordinate branches should be
            checks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the
            right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for
            themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and
            Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic
            branch.”

            to Spencer Roane in 1819:

            “In denying the
            right [the Supreme Court usurps] of exclusively explaining the
            Constitution, I go further than [others] do, if I understand rightly
            [this] quotation from the Federalist of an opinion that ‘the judiciary
            is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the
            government, but not in relation to the rights of the parties to the
            compact under which the judiciary is derived.’ If this opinion be sound,
            then indeed is our Constitution a complete felo de se[act of suicide].
            For intending to establish three departments, coordinate and
            independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has
            given, according to this opinion, to one of them alone the right to
            prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one, too,
            which is unelected by and independent of the nation. For experience has
            already shown that the impeachment it has provided is not even a
            scare-crow… The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax
            in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any
            form they please.”

            to William C. Jarvis in 1820:

            “To
            consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional
            questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would
            place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest
            as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions
            for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is
            boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad
            jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office
            for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the
            elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal,
            knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time
            and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all
            the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.”

            and to Edward Livingstone in 1825:

            “This member of the Government was at first considered as the most
            harmless and helpless of all its organs. But it has proved that the
            power of declaring what the law is, ad libitum, by sapping and mining
            slyly and without alarm the foundations of the Constitution, can do what
            open force would not dare to attempt.” ~ Thomas Jefferson.

        • John J Publicus

          “There is no such thing as an assault rifle”

          Actually, there is. The weapon and the round itself was designed from the ground up to kill as many people as efficiently as possible on the battlefield-by DEFINTION, it’s an ‘assault rifle’.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56×45mm_NATO

          By definition, this weapon is NOT “just like any other semi auto rifle”. If you actually knew what you were shooting off your mouth about this would be self evident…

          • SexForUs

            What you are saying is, it’s the only military grade assault rifle not used by any military anywhere in the world.

            Got t.

          • Orange lives matter

            The musket was designed for the exact same reason. Damn assault muskets.

          • John J Publicus

            You’re an Uniformed Moron
            That’s caped because I think you’re a protected class under tRump…

          • Orange lives matter

            You are lucky to have trump. You definitely don’t deserve him.

          • John J Publicus

            HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA!

            What an ignorant asshat you are! The sad part is we can’t just deport your lying asses….

          • Orange lives matter

            You don’t know your ass hole from your elbows.

          • John J Publicus

            Sure I do! For instance, I KNOW that you’re an asshole….

      • Michael White

        Yeah them clocks sure are deadly

      • Brandon Swords

        You’re a credulous moron.

      • Sangreaal

        Ummm…there was NO AR15

        • John J Publicus

          Oh really? So he was using a sling shot? Moron…

          • Need_to_Know

            No, Moron, it was a Sig MCX, which is NOT an AR-15.

          • John J Publicus

            Oh, so,it was an AR-15 VARIANT? Silly me

            Yeah, get your money back from school, you were robbed….

          • John J Publicus

            Yes it was Einstein. Here’s a little from the brochure for,the MCX;

            “Even while in the field, you can configure the SIG MCX as needs or conditions change. The combination of the 13″ monolithic upper receiver and handguard create a 17 3/4″ continuous top rail. The upper is backwards compatible with any mil-spec AR lower, allowing you to upgrade your existing AR platform to the SIG MCX. The AR upgrade kit includes side-folding stock assembly and adapter.”

            Yeah, sounds to me like it was nothing like an AR-15. More like an AR on steroids if you ask almost anyone….

            http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

          • Need_to_Know

            Apparently you are a bigger moron than first thought!!

            IT’S A CARBINE!!

            SIG MCX CARBINE

            A Carbine is NOT an AR.

          • John J Publicus

            ‘Carbine’ describes a style of weapon whose most recognizable feature is a short barrel length. You might want to stop using words that you don’t actually know the meaning of.

            Even while in the field, you can configure the SIG MCX as needs or conditions change. The combination of the 13″ monolithic upper receiver and handguard create a 17 3/4″ continuous top rail. The upper is backwards compatible with any mil-spec AR lower, allowing you to upgrade your existing AR platform to the SIG MCX. The AR upgrade kit includes side-folding stock assembly and adapter.

            http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

          • John J Publicus

            A carbine is a style of rifle, most usually defined by a shooter barrel.

            Are you really this arrogantly misinformed?

          • Need_to_Know

            Carbines have a shorter and different gas system than AR-15’s, thus making the difference much more than barrel length.

          • John J Publicus

            “most usually defined by a (shorter) barrel.”

            I was very specific in what I said.

          • Orange lives matter

            Ar means armalite. He was not using an armalite.

          • John J Publicus

            Oh fucking please. AR is referred to a class of weapons sharing the same features. It doesn’t matter if a rifle is made by Armalite, moron. If it fires .223 cal rounds from a gas fed mechanism and looks the same its called an AR, no matter who actually makes it.
            I thought you amo-sexuals knew about weaponry?

          • Orange lives matter

            Ar. Means one thing, and one thing only. Armalite.
            Grow up young man

          • John J Publicus

            “AR-15 refers to any of several rifles: These include: ArmaLite AR-15, a selective-fire rifle manufactured by ArmaLite, and predecessor of the United States military M16 rifle. Colt AR-15, a line of semi-automatic rifles manufactured by Colt, based on the United States military M16 rifle….”

            That’s from ‘The Gun Bible’, assclown….

          • John J Publicus

            Oh, and AR ORIGINALLY stood for ‘Armalite Rifle’ not “Armalite”
            Get your bullshit straight, assclown….

          • John J Publicus

            Right, keep drinking the koolaide….

          • James Paul

            John, you are a idiot. The media has said the shooter had a handgun, a Glock. He didn’t have a AR-15. Look up the fact before making a fool of yourself.

          • John J Publicus
      • NortonSmitty

        You know what is easy to say? THE ASSHOLES WAITED THREE HOURS IN SWAT GEAR WHILE UNTOLD DOZENS BLED OUT ON THE FLOOR! That, sir, is the very definition of cowardly incompetence.

        • Mark Choi

          You have no information on which to make that claim. You do however, appear to have a broken shift key.

          • NortonSmitty

            It was in every story on every venue if you actually paid attention. Moron.

          • Mark Choi

            No it wasn’t. But thanks for your superficial analysts of events that were too complex for you to understand. First, the shooting began at a little after 2:00. Almost IMMEDIATELY he is engaged by gunfire by an OPD officer, at 2:02 AM. Within MINUTES more OPD backup arrives, engaging Mateen and forcing him to retreat into a bathroom, taking hostages. It is now about 2:30. Mateen calls 911 several times. Meanwhile, he has taken hostages in the restroom, preventing a direct, all out assault. OPD SWAT requests a bomb unit. It is now 4:10 AM. A controlled explosion demolishes a small section of exterior wall of Pulse, leading to the aforementioned restroom. The hole is not large enough to allow a breach, so another officer uses his vehicle to ram the wall, making an opening large enough to enter. Police immediately engage Mateen in gunfire, and rescue 30 hostages. It is now 5:05 AM.
            Mateen is pronounced dead. It is now 5:53.
            NONE of this timeline backs up your claim, either of cowardice, or that anyone bled out in the intervening time. Moreover, you most certainly can NOT state definitely that more people would not have been killed, particularly those 30 hostages, had they performed a full frontal assault on the building.
            In fact, even as it was, the OPD can not be sure their officers did not accidentally shoot some of the victims in the ensuing chaos.
            It is you, sir, who are the one who is mentally deficient. But at least you appear to have fixed your keyboard.

          • Mark Choi
          • Mark Choi

            No it wasn’t you microcephalic idiot. As already mentioned, what WAS on the news coverage was the fact that during that three hours, the shooter repeatedly called 911 claiming that he had an explosive vest, and that he had set booby traps all throughout the building, that nevertheless the police were actively accessing the building and evacuating as many people as possible, and that no additional shots were fired during that standoff, changing the situation from an active shooter protocol to a hostage negotiation protocol.
            What is also known is that you’re a bloviating, misinformed idiot.
            Funny how after all this went mainstream, and the 911 tapes were released, all of a sudden you began radio silence.
            You would have done well to start there.

          • John Willis

            it was televised ding dong ,and there are records showing time elapsed from police arrival till mop up , where do you morons come from ?

          • John J Publicus

            From under the nearest rock.

            The real question is; will they crawl back under those rocks once tRump loses in a landslide?

          • Orange lives matter

            How did that work out for you?

          • Mark Choi

            No it wasn’t you idiot. What WAS televised is that during that three hours, during which the shooter repeatedly called 911 claiming that he had an explosive vest, and that he had set booby traps all throughout the building, nevertheless the police were actively accessing the building and evacuating as many people as possible.
            What is also known is that no additional shots were fired during that standoff, changing the situation from an active shooter protocol to a hostage negotiation protocol.
            Did I happen to mention that you’re an idiot?
            You’re an idiot.

      • Tothe

        I’m not the one whose alleged job is charging into dangerous situations and putting my life on the line. Isn’t that what people say when I argue that the law enforcement monopoly is ever in the wrong? “You aren’t the one charging into dangerous situations,” or something, right?

        Remember when cops sat on the sidelines during the Columbine massacre, too?

      • David Hall

        You stupid POS, I have put my ass on the fucking line for 27 months. I lost my right eye, half of my face, back of my right leg nearly blown off and a bayonet ripped throught 17 inches of my right arm. Dude I have earned to say what I damn well please. Have you?. I spent 23 months in hospitals in three Countries.Arm chair asshole like you is what pisses me off. If you bothered to read 3 of the best guys in the business that trains the SWAT officers said the same thing, that they should have went in hours sooner. Policy is now with a mass type shooter to immediately engage the shooter. Learn before speaking, go back to you Mom’s basement and take some meds. I went into a hundred fucking places tighter and smaller than that with many hostages.

      • James Paul

        Listen up Guy, The official story says the shooter had a hand gun, not a AR-15. Get your facts straight before making a fool of yourself.

        • James Paul

          The truth is, it never happened. It was a staged event, false flag, just like Sandy Hook. The powers that be want our guns and will do anything to get them. Staging a event like this to push gun legislation is not out of the realm of possibility. if the event actually happened there would not be so many discrepancies spotted so quickly.

          • Interrupting Reply Bot 2014

            I’d like to see things from your point of view. But no sane person can possibly shove their head that far up their assholes.

    • Lily Munster

      It’s a secret!

  • Ed

    There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”. But we better thoroughly investigate, no matter the cost!

    • Prince

      Where’s all the dead bodies?

      • John J Publicus

        Idiot,,what makes you think you’ll see dead bodies?

        • Prince

          Cameras & Videos.

  • Pamela Goodman

    An off-duty police officer working
    security at the club was outside investigating an underage drinker when
    he heard gunshots inside the club. The off-duty officer then proceeded
    to run inside the club and exchange gunfire with Mateen, with three
    additional officers soon arriving to back up the off-duty cop, law
    enforcement sources told WFAA-ABC 8.

    Well why were there 3 additional cops so close to the off duty cop?

    • Dark_Space

      I’m guessing they were close to where they get regular calls…

    • stubbikins

      It was Saturday night in an area with a lot going on, probably several places with private security. Three is not that many

    • Sangreaal

      No wonder there were witness reports of there being more than one shooter killing people.

    • spg210

      Police tend to hang out around night club areas, especially close to last call, for obvious reasons.

    • Marlene Piazza

      and what about all the reports that state the officer engaged in a shoot out with the gunman OUTSIDE the club first, before he went in. And stories about one victim and his girlfriend being shot when they were walking to their car, as they passed the gunman on his way to the club?

  • Paul Val

    there is absolutely NO REASON why they can’t figure out who was shot by friendly fire, it’s called BALLISTICS

    • Dan Bray

      You watch too much CSI.

  • Prince

    2 words: FALSE FLAG

    • John J Publicus

      You’re a moron

      • Mark Choi

        That’s three.

      • John Willis

        youre :john q pubiclikus

  • jean boyd

    People saw the cops shooting so they had to cover their butts somehow. Same thing happened in San Bernadino. People saw SWAT type soldiers at the scene but they just ignored it on the news. These are False Flags and look at the family members crying and reading scripts. Been going on for a while. The Government and news stations are allowed to produce propaganda for the continuation of their agenda and the American people just buy it up. Please investigate people. They just want a gun grab.

  • Alberto

    Who’s to take responsibility for the victims the swat team killed, it was a moronic decision that took place. The swat team probably killed or injured most of the victims. Lets take a close look at the weapon the shooter had with him a semi-automatic long rifle carries 10rounds per clip and a Glock handgun 10-15 rounds depending on the type of hand gun. I’m puzzled how did the shooter managed to shoot and kill 50 people and injured 53 more. This shooter must’ve been an expert at changing his clips.

    • stubbikins

      He was in there for 3 hours.

    • Taylor Franklin

      It’s a magazine and a standard mag holds 30 rounds but even so he would have had to have 31 of them to have that many rounds

      • Dan Bray

        Allegedly 202 rounds fired. Less than 10 mags.

  • Patrick

    I suspect the real culprits were actually the first four ‘police’ on the scene 🙁

  • Samantha Atkins

    Uh, ballistics can tell you how many of the dead were not killed by Mateen.

    • Lily Munster

      You think we’ll ever know that?
      It will destroy Obama and Billary’s master plan a-la Wasserman.

    • Wild_Bill_vintage_1948

      .
      Why would anyone be interested in doing such ballistics? I’m sure they won’t.

  • Windell Clark

    No excuse – You have adrenaline pumping – you dont want to
    hurt any innocents now add in the fact YOU dont want to die and its not a
    drill and you cant take back a bullet and start over. You can have the
    best gear with lights on the front,
    laser sights etc but add emotion and someone trying to kill you and
    things change. Ask any cop whats going through his of her mind when just
    room clearing in the most basic form – its tough. Now add an active
    shooter(s) with an Auto or Semi Automatic weapon(s) and the stakes jump.
    Add people begging for help but you cant stop and render aid because the
    threat is not neutralized -so you must leave them for time being-. Oh
    did i mention this is only the first 30 seconds of a dynamic entry? If
    other Officers have entered at another point you dont want to shoot them
    by accident – someone runs at you with something in hand you have maybe
    a fraction of a second to determine if its a cellphone in hand or a
    weapon guess wrong and you’re dead or that innocent with a cell phone is
    dead. Ok now that either you have killed an innocent or your team is
    stepping over your body because you guessed wrong the mission must go
    on. You still have 5 or 10 of the longest nerve racking minutes of your
    life to clear a building you’ve never been in..Good luck

    • Kyle Pinson

      That sounds compelling, but this took three hours. Care to revise your fantasy here?

      • Windell Clark

        Only painting a picture of what a person MIGHT possibly come up against in that situation.

    • Bud Miser

      Who chose your job?

      • Windell Clark

        Me.

  • Lie_Buster

    Relax, children. Normal logical questions are rendered “conspiracy theory” and “tinfoil hats” etc when the rulers do their false flag thing. Its starting to look obvious that MOST of the victims were murdered by sharp, accurate-shooting members of the police force. Oops – sorry for questioning the guvmint’s tall tale(s). Now, if the truth turns out to be that the cops are responsible for most of the deaths, I want y’all to hold your breath that some “forensics” lab is gonna tell y’all that truth.

  • Sirios

    “Our number one priority is on saving lives” WTF? The cops were saving the people from the shooter as they were shooting the people they were saving?

    • Ghassan Awada

      funny but true.

    • lancelotlink

      We had to destroy the village to save it
      That strategy is longstanding policy in the US

  • 2broke4 her

    a 3 hour wait because cops thought explosives might be there.. meanwhile a turkey shoot is going on and then the cops killing people.. sounds like an excellent plan!

  • Contrarianthefirst

    No film, no pics, it never happened.

  • John J Publicus

    “There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”.”

    Oh fucking please! Do they really think we are that stupid? Of COURSE they will be able to tell which bullets came from who’s weapon! Do,they think we’re in the 18th century? Every bullet in every single body will be catalogued and identified.

    I was wondering why the LE suits were pushing how many lives they saved by rushing the club. I’m betting that the coming weeks will show how much of a police induced cluster duck it REALLY was…..

    • Prince

      John J Publicus – Flagged again for profanity. Can’t stop using the “F” word, can you?

      • John J Publicus

        Flag this moron!
        ?

        • Prince

          Mr. Pubis,
          Flagged for personal attack.

      • John J Publicus

        Can’t stop being bat$hit crazy, can you?

  • David Nininger

    So just to recap, collateral damage is allowed on US citizens from police but is a war crime when out military does it…. ?

    • spg210

      Uh… NO. Collateral damage is NOT a war crime. Collateral damage is not purposely killing civilians. Purposely killing civilians is a war crime.
      So just to recap, if you drop a bomb on a verified enemy stronghold and kill some civilians in the process, that’s not against the Geneva Convention.

  • bf110c4

    “Our No. 1 priority is on saving lives, and it was the right decision to make.” The lives he is speaking of were the cops. They let dozens of victims bleed out during the 3 hour stand-off. Mateen basically had his way with the patrons and the cops.

  • Thunder_Kiss_1965

    This should be kept out of the public domain. Before anyone jumps me you should take into account what happens the next time . A SWAT team leary of hitting civilians doesn’t go in and the death toll is higher you can’t reason with a radical.

  • Kevis

    They can get a very good idea on how many were hit by whom. Even where exact matching isn’t possible marks on fragments can exclude or include certain guns fired.

  • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

    Orlando Alligator Detractor/Distraction? Anyone else think this 2 yr old Alligator Death was set up to distract the American Public away from critically analyzing and questioning this night-club shooting? I do. Very much so. The vast majority of our pubic are just “sheep” ;( blindly following without questioning

    • Prince

      Didn’t some singer in Orlando that was on the T.V. show The Voice supposedly also get killed too while signing autographs?

      • Reuel Excalibur Francis

        That happened before the shooting tho

  • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

    It’s true: WHERE ARE THE BODIES?! Zero footage?!? No way.

    • Prince

      Don’t worry they’ll splash around some fake blood for post event pictures to be taken.

  • lancelotlink

    “It was a hard decision to make, but it was the right decision,”
    Madeline Allbright

    • jean boyd

      “We went, we saw and he died.” Hillary Clinton

  • MrMiran

    Just how big is that bathroom, and how many people were in it when the gunman was forced to retreat into it? I mean once he was pinned down in there by the officers on location, evacuate the club… then work on rescuing the hostages in the bathroom.

    Hey, I wasn’t there… I don’t have all the facts… I’m just asking questions about how it was handled. With cops on-site when it went down… and the gunman’s quick retreat… I’m just trying to get my head around how over 100 people were shot. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and friends.

  • Andy Cripps

    Apparently this guy was a regular visitor. Looks like he was in two minds. Instinctual same sex urges and ideological nonsense that bans it. How about a system where you could be honest about your personal situation to get the help required without fear of character annihilation to maybe stop some of this sort of stuff happening. The war on crime has been as successful as prohibition of alcohol was and the war on drugs is. Maybe time to address what it is to be human and assess the damage crass ideologies have on people and start banning shit that really damages society!

  • Chris Shirah

    Who gives a rats ass who did what. Peoples lives were saved and peoples lives were taken, that’s all that matters. When the dust cleared that fruit cake was dead. On to the next one, people will die then too just hope it isn’t your family grieving while a bunch of tardos make dumb ass remarks about the police that do the saving of the rest.

    • Prince

      What R U, a cop lover?

      • Chris Shirah

        I don’t know. Is a convicted felon a lover of cops? All I care about is that a lot of lives were saved. I wouldn’t have cared if it was Minnie and Mickey Mouse that saved them. What are you? A hater of human life?

  • NortonSmitty

    This makes no sense. If the officer(S) chased the shooter into a bathroom with 15 or 20 hostages within seconds how did over 100 people get shot with a semi-automatic weapon. As a veteran I can tell you it’s impossible.

    • Prince

      It most likely didn’t happen.

      • Lily Munster

        Hey, Boo!

    • Mark Choi

      As a person who can read, I can tell you that you’re a misinformed idiot.

  • d griffin

    Grossly irresponsible “reporting.” The death-toll inside the club would have been in the hundreds, had police not responded forcefully. Also, the terrorist made it very clear what his motivation and allegiance were, and his being probably gay is a sidenote. Get a clue, kiddies. The war is against Islamic terror, and you’ll be fighting it for the next hundred years or so.

    • Prince

      The club didn’t even hold that many people.

      • d griffin

        The Miami Herald reports that as many as 800 people have packed that club. On that night, at closing, there were upwards of 300 people inside at closing time. So go back to being dead from a stupid overdose, you. lol

        • Bud Miser

          Aren’t you just a ray of sunshine!

        • Prince

          Not what Eye heard. It could have been a murder as well…

      • John J Publicus

        Why can’t you stay dead?

    • Bobby5939

      Your attempt at disinformation is pathetic.

  • Martin351

    False flag is a false flag. While were talking about cops in this case… why on earth when you get of a report of an armed gunman with either an AR15 or AK47 (yes botth of these being reported showing they can’t even get that right)..

    Why on earth would they send conventional cops to the scene with no armor, no kevlar, and no helmets?

    Seriously people, how stupid can you be to believe this garbage? People being carried TOWARDS the club? People being caught off camera standing on their own and moving around after they were shot in the leg? Then their rescuers laughing and smiling? News reports can’t decide if an armored vehicle crashed into the club or explosives were used? It is clear either a sledgehammer was used and a special cutting saw. We have the same person conducting multiple interviews under different names yet never bothered to even change her shirt to attempt to deceive? We have “survivors” of the shooting with time and location stamps on social media pitting them completely out of the state 1-2hrs before hand?

    No bodies, no blood, no ambulances, no Swat, no bullet holes, no ID when entering the club (think about that one for a second), people having oodles of time to post on facebook during the incident? Even the nightclubs webpage has time to update to get out of the club and keep running?? LMFAO

    And to think some of you bought this hook, line, and sinker.. unbelievable.

    • Bob413

      You can easily tell by some of the comments on this article that the people are commenting to spread disinformation and divert attention away to the errors made in the cover up.

      Sorry folks, there are more critical errors and holes in this incident and cover up than swiss cheese. You really dropped the ball on this one, and the whole world knows it now. The rest of the countries have washed their hands of this story and calling it like it is, a false flag. That’s bad when massive media outlets across the globe are now calling it a false flag not even 4 days after.

      • Patricia Golding

        Now they have released this crock of a florida gator eating a baby story because now they realize they’ve made so many mistakes with this shooting they are quickly trying to divert people’s attention

        • John J Publicus

          So many stunningly stupid people. You as much a moron as the last one…

        • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

          YES!!!!!!! I said this yesterday. And guess what? It worked! I’m so glad others are wise enough to realize the staged gator incident.

          The vast majority of American People are “sheep” following without questioning.

        • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

          But my genuine question is this: Do they get families to cooperate (family of the boy)? Or would the family be completely unsuspecting? How does this whole thing work? (even with the “survivors” of orlando and witnesses)

          • kat

            Did you not see the same people interview over and over again. They are called actors. Go to youtube and watch how the one Mother smiles and laughs through the entire video with CNN after she finally finds out her son is dead. You can’t make this crap up.

        • Lily Munster

          A Philadelphia native and Fox 29 intern who survived the Orlando mass shooting has disputed claims on social media that she was a “crisis actor” for the station, and was not actually at Pulse nightclub when the incident occurred.

          • Lily Munster

            Lord, don’t let my tears fail me now!

            She could have at least got a wig that doesn’t sit 3 inches behind her forehead.

      • John J Publicus

        You just can’t fake stupid like you….

      • Fardale Labradors

        I guess you didn’t see the kevlar helmets that save a few cops? Know what you;re talking about before you post bs.

        • Autumn

          It was one cop, and the kevlar helmet had a hole in it and damage that was not consistent with a bullet’s entry point. Rather, it looked as though it had been bashed against some concrete.

          No ambulances. People declared dead inside the nightclub (that can’t be done until you reach the hospital.) Injured being carried from down the block toward the club. One loaded into a truck.

          I understand that part of you may feel wrong to question a tragedy, but when something doesn’t feel right, you should follow your gut. That’s what I did for Sandy Hook and have been doing ever since.

          Look into the points that have been made, Faradale, and see for yourself.

          • Fardale Labradors

            Were you there Autumn? My husband, a retired Port Authority 911 P.O had friends on the scene , a relative working in the hospital and others I can’t discuss on the scene. What we can ALL do is show some respect to those lost and stop arguing about what went on and what didn’t.

          • Trysmiling

            We certainly can and should show respect to those that lost loved one during this shooting. No one is trying to disrespect them or the pain they are experiencing. But they need to know that those they loved and lost were sacrificed by a sick government for their agenda of immigration and gun control. That is all those poor people were, pawn is a huge game of chess.We never saw what happened inside, but what we saw outside was nothing but crisis actors. Your husbands friend probably has no clue that this was a staged event. It’s not like everyone has to be in the know to pull something like this off.

          • Nahla Salvia

            The article was stating that it never happened. That’s why he mentioned no ambulances. A set up or not people died and out of respect for their families, maybe people should wait and let them mournemourne before busting out conspiracy theories

          • George

            I guess that people died in Star Wars too. I mean really died.

          • Fardale Labradors

            Shooting? I was talking about 911. When we reach FL next month we will both CONCEAL CARRY by Law. He has his badge, we have to with his retirement badge on him. No further discussion, we will carry.

      • Lily Munster

        Is’t that ALWAYS the case when the truth must be shrouded?

        Sanders vs. Billary – same thing.

      • Lily Munster

        All mainstream media publications, gay and straight alike have been compromised by the same entity.

        The want to shut Indie press down too.

      • Nahla Salvia

        Why isn’t anyone in Orlando saying it never happened? Did you watched the local news of that city, when they were showing the live broadcast?

      • George

        LMAO
        No helmets? It says right there in the article that when mateen emerged he engaged the officers immediately and even hit ONE IN THE HELMET.
        Cry wolf.

    • d griffin

      How long have you been insane, son? You know they have meds for that, now.

    • John J Publicus

      i see,you’ve posted all those facts her for all to see…oh, wait.

    • disqus_s4n9NxE7Bi

      @Martin351:disqus my gut instinct also feels it is false flag. Not being facetious, but where/what footage photos etc have you seen that confirms what you posted above?

      I personally didn’t notice the reporter with the same shirt and many psuedonyms (do you have a name or channel she reports for?) Also, I didn’t see any footage of rescuers laughing or carrying people towards club.

      I did notice there were no bodies. I did notice it took 4 days for “vine” clips to emerge (doubt their authenticity). In these circumstances, does the govt recruit and compensate people to make such statements in their interviews? Genuine Question.

      • Pist-Off
      • John J Publicus

        That ‘gut instinct’ is the compacted shit in your colon. A diet that didn’t include Taco Bell and McDonald’s washed down with non stop soda. Just because you have a great big gut, doesn’t mean you have the first clue of what reality looks like.

        It’s assholes like you that give syphilis a bad name!

      • Nahla Salvia

        They don’t really show bodies in US news, i don’t really see them on the news I watch. Also too, no one that lives there is saying anything about it never happening. If it didn’t, l know for sure that Orlandoneans would be talking not foreigners. This is an ongoing investigation, they have to withhold information

    • devontae hook

      ‘no bodies’ what a piece of shit you are, i went to school with 2 people that died in that club that shit wasnt fake, you moron

      • fgvyti

        what school and what are their names

        shill

        • devontae hook

          http://www.cityoforlando.net/blog/victims/

          go do yourself a favor and look at all the names, google each one and read about their familys and their lives.
          otherwise go fuck your mother asshole.

          • getitin

            stop crying. fuck your feelings

          • devontae hook

            you’re a troll, project on yourself, look in the mirror dickhead, your ugly, probably fat, and have some type of problem with your penis.
            no wonder you’re a prick.
            you’re better off trolling on the internet until the day you decide to off yourself cause you’re useless to the real world.

          • getitin

            *buzz* wrong

    • ivan

      florida is starting to look alot like texas…..

      • Orange lives matter

        In Texas the jihadis are killed before they can murder dozens of people.
        Btw, Florida has much more gun freedom than Texas.

        • ivan

          in texas they kill sitting presidents

          • Orange lives matter

            1 out of the 4 happened in Texas by a communist progressive.

    • Ben Dover

      What cops don’t have body armor? Even in Canada every single cop working has body armor and hallow point bullets. Put these superhero wannabes to work and send them to the fucking call and be the “heroes” they’re always telling us they are.

  • Connie

    Is this an attempt to vilify the police that responded to this horrific act? Is our government now trying to take weapons away from local authorities? Is our government trying to put a “spin” on what really happened to fit their narrative? This president had more contempt and anger toward Trump than he did the radical islamist terrorist. If this was a “gun free zone” why were there not armed security there? #wakeupamerica

  • Ibcamn

    and now you know why the witnesses said there was multiple gunman on scene….it was the cop shooting unarmed innocent people at the nightclub….so if they were there,how is it they did nothing but kill people instead of the shooter…hmm,needed a bigger body count maybe,the shooting was a planned event by the gov’t…why else would the swat team be there so fast and be killing unarmed people…cops love to murder people,but shooting fish in barrel is a new low for these bottom feeder criminal cops…….the truth is getting out people,our biggest enemy is the police……..cops are criminals

    • John J Publicus

      Please, put yourself on the list for a doner brain. It seems that you weren’t issued one as original equipment and it’s painfully apparent that you desperately need one….

      • Ibcamn

        i see you missed the truth with several other people….go to the internet and see how the feds are scrubbing it…again.sheeple like you,that support corruption and all the refugee bullshit story, are why our freedoms are gone in this country….thanx assclown.

        • John J Publicus

          Still haven’t received a brain I see….

          You mouth seems to work just fine though. Typical low information conspiracy freak….

  • benbernecky

    A three hour standoff after initial shooting! People dead from “friendly fire”. The lying fat-mouth president is not angry at the MUSLIM KILLER, no he’s mad at Trump. Nobody knows who was killed by whom and with what weapon. The statement they may never know is BS. Ballistics tell everything. Again the media chokes on the truth, “Islamic / MUSLIM TERRRORISTS and JUMPS on the AR-15. I am so sick of this crap. The killer says he’s in allegiance with Islamic terrorist groups, traveled to Saudi Arabia, questioned and released by the FBI after neighbors did what Obama said to do “see something tell someone”. And it was to NO avail Media denies or questions what he said, blame the gun anything but ADMIT THE SOB IS A MUSLIM TERRORIST. ISLAMIC MUSLIM JIHADIST. Trump was right the 1st time he called for the only intelligent response block ALL immigration from enemy states. This jerks whole damned family came from Afghanistan. Jeez folks are we going to keep letting them disarm the public under the guise of “protecting us”. From what them? So much for gun free zones. I’ll bet Obama’s ass 48 people would still be alive if ONE person had a CC permit and was armed. POW end of problem.

    • John J Publicus

      They say that comments like yours are posted by paid agents for political players.

      I disagree. I don’t believe you can fake this kind of anger…or stupidity.

      • benbernecky

        such an informed response, let me guess you voted for Obama twice right? First who are “they”? One doesn’t have to be a “paid political AGENT” to exercise their freedom of speech. Jeez. Paranoia! Did you happen to see the hundreds of bullet holes shot at and into the club? I did. At least 2 of the large holes were the result of the local Swats use of explosives to gain entry, wounding God knows how many. As for all you ostriches out there with your head in dark places the only thing to argue about is Obama’s failed policies to thwart this kind of activity. Not anti-gun rhetoric. You DO NOT disarm the public when they are attacked, one person with a concealed carry would have made a world of difference. Meanwhile in Obama’s home town as a senator, Chicago, has seen 280 gun deaths since the beginning of 2016. Yeah Hilary lets 5x the Syrian refugee/terrorist flood. Close the border Obama, stop flying military age Syrian men into secret locations throughout the US. Its almost as if Obama was a jihadist himself. Met all the requirements.

        • John J Publicus

          Like I said, you just can’t fake the profound stupidity that you represent…

  • darncat

    How is it possible they will never know? Don’t they do ballistics tests?!?

  • J Niles

    The Barney Fife SWAT team waited outside for hours, while people died inside. Just more inept government slobs. When they finally did go in, they probably killed 20 of the 50. OF COURSE a coroner could tell who was shot by whom. The moron cops don’t want you to know that cops killed a lot of the 50. F the police.

  • Charleselohi

    What strikes me is that he is using semi-automatic weapons to kill patrons, but then comes through the wall toward imminent death and uses a shotgun?

  • Sws Sws

    “There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”.
    Wouldn’t ballistics tell the story from slugs pulled from the dead and wounded?

  • Johnny Gerace

    Save Snarls Barkley!!
    http://www.gofundme.com/savesnarls

  • WestDetroitNigga

    There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”. Uhhh why not?

  • Mike Hansen

    So they want to take our guns so the cops can murder us when they show up?

  • Kokopelli

    Apparently the cops had a chance to kill Mateen before he ever entered the club, but they didn’t. They had a clear shot at him thru the open doors of the club, but didn’t take it. Why the f*ck did it take a SWAT team 4 f*cking hours to get control of the situation? Do you think maybe the response would have been quicker had it been a packed conference hall filled with rich white businessmen?

  • missythemissmiss

    Who knows someone who died in the incident? I’m so skeptical of our government that I do believe it happened, but I am not certain that it wasn’t manufactured by one of our political candidates. It’s way too convenient that so many hot button issues were involved: gays, Islam, guns, terrorism. Vote for me and I’ll make sure your gay rights aren’t overturned by the SCOTUS, vote for me and I’ll make sure your religion is protected, vote for me and I’ll get guns off the streets, vote for me and I’ll keep you safe! Just thinking out loud…

  • Steve Rusk

    The question is, just how much of the body count are the cops responsible for?

  • the truth

    I thimk this just comes from a lot if inexperienced officers

  • jakee308

    What bullshit. It is very easy to test the weapons for the bullets used by the SWAT team and the ones that killed the victims.

    Not saying he had better choices but when you lie like that the rest of what you’ve said becomes suspect.

    Notice that NO cops were killed or injured during all of this (or at least that I’ve not heard reported and I’m sure they’d shout it from the rooftops if one had)

    But don’t say you won’t be ever able to tell who got killed by SWAT and who was killed by the Muslim homicidal Jihadi.

  • Salvador Silva

    Some may disagree… But the FBI knew who this man was…. They knew he had gone to his homeland, they knew he had communications with terrorist groups. He came back to america and purchased guns… The owner said he informed the FBI of Matten’s purchase. That’s enough evidence to make an arrest. If not than FBI should have assigned a couple agents to Mateen.

    I honestly believe that, with Mateen leaving to his homeland. Than with proof of his involvement and communication with terrorists…. That’s enough to make the arrest after he purchased his guns…

    Disagree….. I don’t give a shit. Thats my opinion and my personal belief. If it were done thus way than the Orlando shooting doesn’t happen.

  • Harry Schultz

    Autopsies could definitively determine who was killed by whom, but I guess that won’t happen.

  • John

    Entirely possible civilian friendly fire is always a problem when SWAT goes hands. 30% casualty of civilians is expected.

  • Ben Dover

    LIKELY AT LEAST A DOZEN KILLED BY POLICE IN A PANIC (but most cops live and breath for the chance / excuse to shoot at a live target instead of a paper one) AND LIKELY EVEN MORE WERE INJURED BY THE POLICE.

  • George

    Iam sure a count of the shooter’s shots can
    be obtained from the audio of the news services close to the nightclub.
    Many of the early victims escaping the club were shot multiple times so it is
    not a matter of one shot=one victim. My guess is that with the “hail
    of bullets” used to “rescue” the hostages, many of them were
    killed bu the police. “Hail of bullets” were words from one of
    the reporters on the scene, not mine. The rug in that club will be having
    a huge mound under it as they try to hide the victims of police gunfire from
    the public. I am waiting for the count.

  • h8gwb

    “There is a strong likelihood that we will never find out how many of the victims were ultimately killed by “friendly fire”.”

    So I guess police are now also exempt from investigation via ballistic forensics?