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Cincinnati — Former University of Cincinnati Campus Police Officer Ray Tensing will not be held accountable for killing motorist and father Samuel DuBose just off campus nearly two years ago, because — despite a Grand Jury indictment for manslaughter — the trial jury remained deadlocked after deliberating for a full five days.

DuBose was pulled over for a front license plate violation — one which, in many states, would not even have been a code violation.

Now, this hotly disputatious killing will join a lengthy list of similar questionable deaths at the hands of a collective American police force eager to shoot first, ask questions later — and never take responsibility for the most grievous of wrongdoings.

“The evidence shows there was no danger to Ray Tensing when he made the decision to go for his gun,” prosecutor Seth Tieger argued in a closing statement quoted by the New York Times on Monday. “Sam DuBose was trapped in that car during that stop, and he was an easy target when his car became his coffin.”

“In his first trial, jurors were evenly split: Four jurors thought Tensing was guilty of murder, four thought he was guilty of voluntary manslaughter and four thought Tensing was not guilty, according to Prosecutor Joe Deters,” local WCPO reports.

“The prosecution filed a motion to add reckless homicide — a lesser charge — to the two-count indictment.”

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Incidentally, The Free Thought Project predicted this outcome last week in the wake of the first hung jury in Tensing’s trial with an article titled, “Get Ready – Sam Dubose’s Killer Set to be Next Cop to Walk Free for Murdering a Citizen on Video.”

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In July 2015, Officer Tensing stopped DuBose around 6:30 in the evening, as his vehicle lacked a front license plate — something required in Ohio and a smattering of other states.

Tensing, an officer with the University of Cincinnati force — which had an arrangement with the City of Cincinnati to overstep the technical bounds of the school — decided to make the stop after following the motorist for about one mile.

“Police said Officer Tensing asked repeatedly to see the man’s driver’s license, but he ‘produced a bottle of alcohol inside the car,’ instead, said University police chief Jason Goodrich in a press conference,” the Anti-Media reported at the time.

ABC News reports, “According to The Associated Press, Tensing and his defense attorney, Stewart Mathews, have argued that, at the traffic stop, DuBose stepped on the accelerator while Tensing’s arm was trapped. The defense says Tensing, who pleaded not guilty, was scared DuBose would use his car to kill him, so Tensing acted reasonably to try to stop the threat.”

Video footage from the dash camera inside a patrol car on scene disputed police accounts of the stop — showing DuBose, perhaps panicked, indeed pulling away from the stop prematurely, but not placing Tensing in danger.

In short, it appeared DuBose simply wanted to flee — not harm the officer in any way.

Prosecutors had argued video showed the officer firing into DuBose’s vehicle just one second after he began to pull away — meaning Tensing could not possibly have feared for his life.

“Tensing wasn’t in reasonable fear of his life when he made the decision to shoot DuBose,” they contended, according to the AP.

“This office has probably viewed upwards of hundreds of police shootings, and this is the first time that we’ve thought this is without question a murder,” stated Prosecutor Joe Deters in a press conference just after the killing. “It was so unnecessary for this to occur,” he said, adding that DuBose was “subdued” and Tensing had noted the license plate number, so should not have had reason to pursue, much less fire upon, the car.

DuBose’s thirteen children have been left without the man who had turned his life around immediately before Tensing ripped their loving father from their lives.

At least some members of yet another jury in yet another trial for senseless killing by police have in essence found yet another hapless cop, afraid of his own shadow, perfectly justified in stealing the life of a Black man — ultimately due to the existence of yet another meaningless, excessive law.

This is untenable. It cannot continue. This week, police barbarism — and, worse, its ignorant impunity — has been put on trial and found a perfectly acceptable state of affairs for the United States in 2017.

But this isn’t acceptable.

Policing in America will have to endure sweeping, unapologetic reform in the use of force, interactions with the public, training, traffic stops, and morality versus legality — if, that is, they don’t want to be viewed as an enemy of the people.

If not, police impunity and senseless killing will produce one consequence U.S. foreign policy is beginning to comprehend in full — blowback. And it — like the excessively violent police — won’t be pretty.

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Claire Bernish began writing as an independent, investigative journalist in 2015, with works published and republished around the world. Not one to hold back, Claire’s particular areas of interest include U.S. foreign policy, analysis of international affairs, and everything pertaining to transparency and thwarting censorship. To keep up with the latest uncensored news, follow her on Facebook or Twitter: @Subversive_Pen.
  • It’s to the point that we’re better off without cops. The crooks don’t kill us for fun, like the cops do.

    • Levi Silveira

      I think you are misinformed. Plenty of criminals out there killing citizens maybe even for fun.

  • Not pro Israel

    If America was given the opportunity to vote, there would be no more police. Every week they are killing people in the streets and I for one am sick of it. I for one I’m at the point where a lot of people are and I’m not going to say it online but you know what it is.

  • Jamie Hall

    Charge all of these at best ignorant apologists with conspiracy and send them to prison along with the criminal cops they support. Do that and the prison industrial complex will not want for slave labor for a very long time to come.

  • John C Carleton

    The reason the cops are murdering Americans, is because thats what Washington DC wants the cops to do. Thank your local senator , House of representatives member, president and supreme court.

    • Fingal Carson

      100%. Except the rich or preferred folks. If among this class of people in the suburbs or exurbs, the police try to be extra nice and call people by sir and ma’am.

      Doesn’t mean they won’t give you a couple moving violations over the years. That’s their donut-eating, caffeine-binging way of showing everyone love.

      And speaking of moving violations, f8ck speed limits. Dumbest thing on American roads. All are 5-15 MPH too low! 30 is only acceptable in tight villages and cities and it shouldn’t apply to empty or wide roads.

      • John C Carleton

        The cops, the smart ones, pick their victims carefully. No “upstanding folks”, a couple of minor convictions on ones record opens all kind of doors to abuse from cops and court systems.

  • crazytrain2

    This was a bad shoot. The first time I saw it, I thought Tensing was caught in the seat belt, but after repeated viewings, that is not the case.

    However, the prosecution claiming “he was subdued” is false, as he was fleeing in a vehicle. And this always happens to guys that just turned their life around.

  • Steve

    Take the guns away from beat cops, like in Europe. It is apparently too easy in a rush of adrenaline to grab for your gun and shoot.

  • WiseUp2016

    Typical BS hit piece.

    First off, your headline is blatantly inflammatory. Everybody knows from the second they see the title that they’re about to read a slanted cop-hating diatribe. Fact is, Ray Tensing wasn’t “let off”; he was overcharged and saved from questionable conviction by due process. And Sam DuBose was in fact armed, with a 2,000-lb. weapon that he was attempting to use as a means of escaping responsibility for driving with no license and in possession of a significant amount of illegal drugs, and he could have recklessly used that weapon to hurt or kill Tensing or anyone else in the process.

    But enough about the title; the content of the article is equally shameful.

    “Former University of Cincinnati Campus Police Officer Ray Tensing will not be held accountable for killing motorist and father Samuel DuBose…”
    Not held accountable? He went on trial. Twice. Just because the jury couldn’t return a verdict you can agree with doesn’t mean unaccoutability. And if the prosecutors and/or the public feel that there is truly a case here, Tensing can be tried a third time. I’m not sure you know what “accountabilty” actually means; seems you think it means conviction, evidence and facts be damned.

    “DuBose was pulled over for a front license plate violation — one which, in many states, would not even have been a code violation.”
    But it IS a violation in Ohio. Hence, your assertion is meaningless. Sam was lawfully stopped. End of story.

    You quote and paraphrase the prosecution (which recklessly characterized this event as wanton murder from day one) extensively, such as here:
    “Prosecutors had argued video showed the officer firing into DuBose’s vehicle just one second after he began to pull away — meaning Tensing could not possibly have feared for his life.”
    Yes, but you conveniently omit the assertions of the defense, including their own video expert who testified that his analysis revealed that the car had moved just over three feet in just under a second when Tensing fired. Everybody says they’ve seen the tape and the car wasn’t moving when the shot was heard. An important fact that came out in this second trial was that the audio on the body cam was delayed a second or two in comparison to the video. That was a major revelation.

    And of course you include the obligatory statement describing a man with a troubled past who nonetheless was a devoted father to an unusually high number of offspring:
    “DuBose’s thirteen children have been left without the man who had turned his life around immediately before Tensing ripped their loving father from their lives.”
    Thirteen kids by eleven different women. He seemed to be closer to some of them than others, but evidently wasn’t supporting any of them. In fact, many of them met for the first time at the estate hearings. Your words are a clear mischaracterization of Sam DuBose as a “family man”.

    “…police barbarism — and, worse, its ignorant impunity — has been put on trial and found a perfectly acceptable state of affairs for the United States in 2017.”
    Who are you to question the American justice system, with its due process and presumption of innocence for every defendant, even if they wear a badge? How dare you impugn this jury, which did its job but unfortunately failed to render a verdict after days of deliberation? You call it injustice for Sam; many others are calling it justice for Ray. They say the charges against him were over the top, and the non-verdict is evidence that the system actually worked to save him from wrongful conviction.

    Now I agree that not all cops are on the level, but for you to apply terms such as “barbarism” and “ignorant impunity” to the entire law enforcement community is malicious and irresponsible on your part. You use conjecture and misrepresentation throughout this piece to malign the very people you’d call if your purse was snatched or your bicycle stolen.

    Get over it. While I don’t think Tensing was totally blameless in this case, I believe the answer to the query implied in your teaser for this story regarding responsibility for Sam Dubose’s death is very simple: Sam himself was more responsible than anyone else.

    • Stephen Geiger

      The nationwide incidence of cops over-reacting with excessive force is increasing at an alarming rate. It is part of the police state where cops view citizens as the enemy. If you look through Youtube or even follow news papers, you will see event after event where innocent citizens are murdered by cops. They are always defended by their superiors as having followed proper procedure. In almost every case they get off with no consequences.

      All I can say is if these murderers are following proper procedure, the procedures need to be changed. I could give you examples that would probably infuriate you if you at all cherish freedoms. However, I don’t feel like typing a long dissertation right now.

      • WiseUp2016

        Let’s use some common sense here.

        You mention “event after event where innocent citizens are murdered by cops”, and that this phenomenon is “increasing at an alarming rate”.

        Well, it just SEEMS that way, especially right now, when we’ve seen two trials and a retrial in the news over the last week involving police officers shooting and killing citizens. These events actually occurred between one and two years ago. And the results in those cases were two ‘not guilties’ and a hung jury.

        I’m not saying any of those men needed killing. Philando Castile’ s death was particularly troubling. But a presumably impartial jury (including two African Americans) saw ALL of the evidence and UNANIMOUSLY voted ‘not guilty’.

        Now this acquittal doesn’t necessarily mean ‘innocent’, because I don’t think the cop was completely blameless. And I’m not as convinced as I’d hoped that the dashcam video released after the trial would show that the cop acted properly. But I do believe after viewing the tape that a tragic miscommunication led to the shooting. In that split second, Philando apparently wasn’t understanding the officer’s orders, and the officer couldn’t see his hands. He fired seven shots, which seems excessive, but like it or not, that’s the way they’re trained. This is life and death here. And police training and protocol is designed to help ensure cops survive.

        I also feel awful that the 4-year-old daughter of Philando’s girlfriend witnessed the shooting. And I sympathize with his family. He seemed like a good guy. But he apparently smoked a lot of weed, and the jury felt he was impaired during the stop and it contributed to his death. And I can live with that.

        But the mistrial we saw last week (actually the second hung jury in this same case) is a little easier for me to understand. Sam DuBose was driving an unregistered car without a license, transporting a significant amount of marijuana, when he decided the traffic stop was over. He slammed the door shut and as he was taking off, the officer, who claimed he was being dragged, shot him in the head.

        Now I’ve heard people say with great certainty that they can tell by the officer’s body cam video that the cop shot Sam before the car moved. And the prosecution had video experts analyze the tape and testify to that effect. But what everybody didn’t hear or choose to ignore is that the defense had their own expert who found that the body cam’ s audio was a second or so ahead of the video and that in fact the car had moved just over three feet in just under a second. The jury couldn’t come to a conclusion, so the result was a mistrial. There can be a third trial if prosecutors want to pursue it. But everybody screams “No! I saw the tape! He’s guilty!” When you’re looking at sending a guy to prison for five years to life, you’d better make sure beyond a reasonable doubt. That wasn’t the case here.

        Look, here’s what it comes down to. People absurdly claim there’s a conspiracy of racist cops to murder unarmed people of color and that it’s happening every day. Really? Where was today’s? Yesterday’s? You use the words ‘murder’ and ‘murderers’ yourself, but if you know the legal standard for murder, only very, very rarely does police action amount to murder.

        So take the literally hundreds of millions of police encounters with citizens per year and subtract the number that are deemed justified through investigation or adjudication (perp pulled weapon on cop, pulled one on another person, was setting someone on fire, etc.), and what do you get? I’ll tell you: .0345% of the time police are found culpable for misconduct against citizens. Hardly an epidemic. And that’s a real stat, too. So you have a much higher chance of being killed by your doctor than you do a cop.

        And when cops are guilty, they’re guilty. Ofcr. Michael Slager unloaded his gun into Walter Scott’s back. He escaped conviction in state court with a hung jury but recently pled guilty to federal charges and awaits sentencing. An elderly reserve deputy shot a fleeing suspect in Oklahoma a couple of years ago in a case that very well could have been an accident, but the jury convicted him of manslaughter and he was punished with what amounts to a life sentence in prison due to his age.

        And the reason it seems like it’s always black men who die at the hands of the police is in my opinion because for whatever reason, those are the only cases reported by the media. Where I live, there were three police-involved shootings within a two-month period last fall. In the first one, deputies showed up at a motel to serve papers on a white guy who was living there. The guy raised a gun at the cops and they shot him. A couple weeks later, a black guy, apparently inspired by the BLM movement, took up a rifle and stood by a highway in the middle of the night, randomly firing and wounding several people, including a responding police officer, and KILLED an innocent woman driving by on her early morning paper route. Cops ended up shooting him. Then, a couple weeks after that, deputies responding to a domestic situation were confronted by an armed elderly white man, and they ended up shooting him.

        And guess what? The two white guys died, and the black guy lived. But I bet no one outside of this area knew anything about it. And it happens several times a day, every day in this country.

        All I’m saying is that there’s more than meets the eye that you see on the news. In the vast majority of cases, people who die at the hands of cops bear some responsibility by resisting, fighting, trying to flee, etc. But people like to pile on the police. They just want to see a cop, any cop, go down. And that’s not justice. That’s why we have judges, lawyers, juries, and trials. Everybody accused of a crime gets due process and a presumption of innocence, even if they wear badges.

        And when they exonerate a police officer after reviewing all evidence and testimony it’s still justice. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make it unjust. So many people call for justice against cops, but what they really want is revenge.

        • Stephen Geiger

          I stick with my original contention about the police state and excessive force. All one has to do is look at the incidences of no-knock raids where the cops have the wrong friggen address. They break into someone’s home in the middle of the night, kick open the door of a bedroom and when the unsuspecting homeowner in bed goes for his gun they shoot him about 20 times.

          These are cases where the homeowner has no idea that it is the cops who entered his home and is trying to protect himself and hims family. The cops have entered the wrong home for their no-knock raid and as a result an innocent person dies. Even in case like these the cops have not been held accountable for the murder of an innocent victim.

          In Billings, Montana a couple years ago the cops did this thinking they were entering a drug house. They had the wrong address. In the course of the their raid they lobbed a stun grenade into a bedroom window where it exploded next to a toddler sleeping in his crib. The toddler was severely injured. Did the cops face any consequences? No.

          In Henderson, Nevada a few years ago a graduate of West Point who had been discharged from the Army and owned a successful business was in Costco. He had a concealed carry. When he crouched down to look at something in the store the loss prevention idiot saw the gun. He reported it to the warehouse manager. The manager spoke to the customer and everything was fine.

          The loss prevention idiot took it upon himself to call the cops and tell them there was some crazy guy in the store with a gun. The cops showed up and evacuated the store. The unsuspecting customer, along with his girl friend who was with him, evacuated like everyone else. The cops were at the exit and as he came out the loss prevention dickhead yelled “there he is”. There were about seven cops as I remember. They all drew down on him and multiple cops started barking orders at this guy. According to witnesses he was trying to comply with conflicting orders.

          Long story short, the cops shot him seven times and he died in front of his girl friend. None of the cops faced any consequences.

          You may not want to admit it but there are a lot of people who are cops who shouldn’t be cops. They are on a power trip. My pastor’s son used to be a cop in Houston. I asked him what percentage of the cops he worked with were on some kind of a power trip. I can’t remember exactly what number he said but it was over 50%.

          It is obvious when you watch Youtube videos that people have recorded of police encounters that there is a problem. Cops routinely violate civil rights. Often they will come right out and tell their victim that they have no rights. Even the simple act of recording their behavior is met with violence. They often order people to quit recording or they will take their phone and throw it on the ground to stomp on it. They do this in spite of the fact that multiple courts have ruled that citizens have the right to record police encounters. But you know what? They don’t give a shit what the courts say. They are going to do whatever they feel like doing. This includes using excessive force to the point of killing someone who is unarmed.

          Here is another example from Henderson, Nevada. A couple with three young children had moved there from some Middle Eastern country. The woman spoke English but the man did not.

          They had two mobile food vending vans. The man committed some minor traffic infraction. A cop pulled him over. Since he didn’t understand what the cop was saying he called his wife and she came to the scene.

          Now, keep in mind that this was a pretty burly cop. He as well over 200 pounds and the woman who was now at the scene was barely over 100 pounds. There was some confusion but she happened to have a small knife in her hand. The kind of knife one would use to cut food. They used these knives in preparing food for their customers.

          It has been awhile since this has happened so I don’t remember all the details. The outcome was that since this woman had a knife in her hand the burly cop drew his gun and shot her, killing her on the spot. Now this grieving dad was left to raise his three young children on his own.

          All the cop had to do was claim that he feared for his life and there were no consequences to face. Really? A cop who outweighed this woman by a factor of 2.5 feared for his life? He never took any self-defense course that would enable him to deal with a woman this much smaller than him? Or, he couldn’t shoot her in a non-lethal manner? He couldn’t shoot her in the leg? He couldn’t have used a taser on her? Give me a break. He murdered this woman and got away with it.

          All these cops that claim they feared for their lives need to get into a different line of work. That excuse is getting pretty damned old.

          Don’t get me wrong here. There are a lot of good cops out there who take their oath to protect and serve seriously. I know some of them. But there are also a lot of cops out there who are on a power trip and instead of protecting and serving they view citizens as the enemy. These are the cops that we need protection “from”.

          • WiseUp2016

            And I stand by my assertion that the vast, vast majority of police officers are brave and noble public servants, and that they are after all human beings, incapable of perfection any more than anyone else.

            You cite three specific examples of what you consider to be atrocities where cops “got away with” various acts of alleged misconduct. And I don’t necessarily disagree. But for every example you give me where police cause unnecessary injury or damage, I can give you hundreds of police encounters that go as planned. As I said, we can’t expect perfection from them. They shouldn’t be exempted from scrutiny, and when they cross the line they should own up to it and make it right. Again, cases of genuine misconduct make up a very, very small fraction of all police actions. As I stated in the previous post, instances of medical malpractice occur at much higher rates than police misconduct, but I don’t see many posts about botched vasectomies on here.

            So to hear people on every form of media claim that police brutality is occurring everywhere on a minute-to-minute basis and that cops are getting away with it, angers and confounds me. And these people do this often by not knowing facts and by slanting the narrative to fit their agenda. Let’s look at the examples you cite.

            In the Billings case, the police did make many mistakes. They claimed their investigation revealed no children to be living in the residence. Their flashbang grenade malfunctioned, and a child was in fact wounded. And I know this makes little difference to your description, but it wasn’t a toddler boy, it was a 12-year-old girl, and she suffered some burns on her leg. But yes, making reference to a “severely injured” toddler makes the cops look worse. And make no mistake, the cops did bungle that whole incident. But they acknowledged their mistakes and I hope they made it right by that family.

            So yes, police make mistakes. And the Supreme Court has ruled that cops are entitled to honest mistakes (Maryland v. Garrison, 1987). I’m sure you may disagree with that, but the highest court in the land feels that police should be given that latitude in order to effectively protect the public. If you don’t like it, I’m sure there are many other countries where you could live with no such standard. I hear Guatemala and Venezuela are lovely this time of year.

            The guy legally carrying at Costco was named Erik Scott. But cursory research in that case reveals there is more to the story than you reported. Turns out that when confronted, Mr. Scott began acting bizarrely and refused to leave the store. It was also reported that the coroner’s inquest revealed drugs in his system. Heck, this information came from Cop Block, so there’s no reason to dispute it. So again, there seems to be some gray area here where the victim may hold some responsibility for what happened. Do I think he should have been gunned down? Of course not, but again, there’s more to this than is reported by Anti-Cop media.

            Another damning factor against police culpability in Scott’s death is the fact that his family ended up dropping their subsequent wrongful death civil suit against the police. Seems their case wasn’t strong enough. Granted, it probably would’ve been stronger if there were video of the shooting, but there wasn’t. So apparently that matter has been laid to rest.

            As for the small lady shot by the big cop, since you can’t remember all the details, let me help you out.

            Police ticketed her husband for a traffic violation. He refused to sign it and instead called his wife. She showed up irate and with the kids in tow. The cops said she pulled out the knife, acted hysterically, and appeared to threaten herself and her 11-year-old son. They said they tried to taser her, but couldn’t hit her. I guess she was too small a target.

            Some witnesses said there was no knife and generally painted the cops as murderous thugs. But credible witnesses, INCLUDING THE 11-YEAR-OLD SON, testified to a coroner’s jury that the police version was basically correct. The boy said his mother had a knife and grabbed him, but that she actually held the knife to her own chest. The father denied the whole knife narrative for whatever reason, but that was pretty much the end of the story here. You can verify all of this by reading coverage of the event on the web sites of Las Vegas newspapers the Sun and the Review-Journal. Yet you again recklessly use the term ‘murder’ to characterize this incident, but apparently the state of Nevada disagrees, and for good reason.

            As far as personal anecdotes go, I put zero faith in those. Talk to 100 pastors’ sons, get 100 different perspectives. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and even cheaper second hand.

            As for the YouTube vids, I’ve seen a lot of them. And not once have I seen a cop deny that the person had civil rights or stomp a phone. In fact I just went searching (admittedly very briefly) for such a video but couldn’t find one. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but they’re certainly not in the mainstream, let alone “routine”, as you assert.

            So again, I acknowledge that cops aren’t 100% honest, clean, and perfect in their actions, but who is? When there’s evidence that they’ve crossed a line, they’re investigated. Sometimes they’re indicted and go on trial. That’s the very definition of accountability. And when they’re saved from conviction by the same due process that protects alleged drug-dealers, rapists, and murderers, it’s not injustice any more than it is when the drug dealers, rapists and murderers walk.

            People who say that civilians are under no obligation to cooperate with police or to respect the laws are only promoting uncivil behavior, defiance to authority, and lack of respect to their fellow man. They are also glorifying criminal acts and often advocate abolition of police forces. Is that really a world we want to live in?

            Those who complain that police are jack-booted agents of murder should take a moment and imagine what manner of killers they would be exposed to with no police protection.

            I still say your chances of surviving contact with police is darn near 100% if you cooperate. Much, much better odds than you would get in your local Emergency Room.

          • Stephen Geiger

            I did get the Billings incident mixed up with the one in Georgia where it was a toddler injured by a flash grenade.

            http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-toddler-injured-swat-grenade-faces-1m-medical/story?id=27671521

            In that case the cops lied to the toddler’s mother about his condition and refused to give her son to her. They obviously did not want her to know what his condition was because they screwed up.

            It doesn’t carry much weight with me to compare the medical industry to police actions. Let’s face it. Hospitals are good places to go if you want to die.

            As for cops making mistakes goes, they do have a higher standard to live up to than other professions simply because of what can happen. You try to make light of what my pastor’s son saw going on in the Houston Police force. He was there for several years and saw it with his own eyes.

            Then there are the real life stories of the blue shield. The movie Serpico was all about this. In large cities there is a lot of corruption going on in police forces and it is very difficult for honest cops to change that. If you haven’t seen the movie, check it out. What Serpico experienced in real life is surely not an isolated incident.

            I admit that a cop’s job is not easy. But then a teacher’s job is not easy these days with all the politically correct B.S. that goes on in school systems.

            I have seen multiple Youtube videos of cops routinely violating the civil rights of people. They either threaten to arrest someone who is videoing them or just take their phone away from them. And before you bring up that these people may not be cooperating with the cops in question that is not the case. They are simply trying to do what the courts have consistently said they have the right to do.

            I guess the point I have tried to make and still claim is that there are a lot of cops who should not be cops. Part of the problem is that psychological testing looks for prospective cops who are very aggressive. Maybe they need to back off from this requirement a bit and look for people who can also interact with the citizens better without shooting first and asking questions later.

          • WiseUp2016

            Point taken on the Georgia case. Again, I agree cops do get it wrong sometimes.

            The point of the cop-doctor comparison is that doctors are expected to preserve life but they do lose lives through error, negligence, or incompetence way more than cops do, who of course are expected not to kill innocent people. But gosh, not killing people is what the entire medical profession is based on. Law enforcement is based on, well, enforcing the law. I think this is a relevant comparison.

            I agree that police should live up to very high standards, but I don’t believe in premature rushes to judgment condemning them EVERY SINGLE TIME someone dies at their hand. I mean, come on, people to this day still refer to the murder of Michael Brown. If you reject the version of events accepted by the grand jury and the Obama-Holder DOJ, and cling to the belief that Mike did nothing to bring about his own demise, then you and I have nothing left to talk about because that would make you irrational and ignorant and there’s nothing I can do or would want to do for you.

            Fact is, cops are indeed held to much higher standards than any other profession today. When cops arrive on the scene, every cell phone within a mile comes out. I imagine it is very difficult to do the job with their every word and action under constant scrutiny. And there’s a reason that they usually walk away from charges of misconduct: it is usually found, by a diverse and presumably impartial jury, that the police usually act according to their training and within the law. But no, even then, it’s not good enough. People actually say the laws should be changed so more cops are “held accountable” (but what they mean is “convicted”). This is patently unfair, irresponsible, and quite simply, illogical.

            I apologize if you are offended about my remarks concerning the pastor’s son. But I don’t know you, I don’t know him, so at best, this is merely hearsay from my perspective. I can take your word for it, but I have no way to determine the veracity of what you said someone else told you.

            And I know there are corrupt cops. I think I’ve acknowledged that. And I’ve seen Serpico, and I believe his story. But that was 40 years ago. I can’t help but think there’s way more transparency today, more accountability, less opportunity to abuse the public. Just think if Serpico had a cell phone video camera.

            And again, l don’t doubt that there are videos on YouTube like you described. I’ve never seen one. The ones I’ve seen show cop reactions ranging from annoyed but resigned to recognize that the citizen has the right to tape them, to cops warmly inviting the person to film whatever he/she likes. It’s the civilians who act like loud-mouth objectional scumbags in the vids I’ve seen. And when the cops bust their window and drag them out of the car I laugh and laugh.

            And yes, there are some people who shouldn’t be cops. And while I wouldn’t use a word like “aggressive”, I think police departments seek assertive and authoritative people to be officers. And I feel those are the kind of people we need as cops. Men and women who roll up into situations, sometimes confrontational and volatile, involving people they don’t know and whose intent they have no way to ascertain, should be able to take control of these situations confidently and effectively. If they don’t, chaos and violence would likely ensue.

          • Stephen Geiger

            I have seen the entire gamut on Youtube when people are videoing cops. I have seen cops who maintain the utmost professional behavior and openly tell people they have the legal right to video them. But, like I said, I have seen the other end of the spectrum where they do confiscate the phone or threaten arrest if the person does not stop.

            There is an important thing to remember and it is how the citizen behaves. I think there are idiots out there who try to provoke cops and act like assholes. It is important to be cordial if you want to be treated cordially.

            I know some cops here in Bozeman, Montana that are great guys and they are in it for the right reasons. A few years ago there was one cop who bragged on his Facebook page about how he liked to come up next to someone at a red light and try to stare them down just to mess with them. After all of the backlash that came out of that he ended up quitting the force. Really, people like that should not be wearing a badge. If he had done it to me, I would have stared right back at him.

  • Ibcamn

    the corrupt cop ”feared for his highly trained faggot ass”,he was afraid of the mans breathe,he was afraid of the mans taste in clothing,he was afraid of the mans hand lotion…what did this faggoty ass cop fear for his life from this time…..was it that the man had on a seat belt…..or that he was black and thinking maybe to run……so the cop just murdered him in cold blood,that’s what im guessing….but you have so many ”copsuckers”out there,cops walk on these murders….people wake up…cops are criminals,terrorists with a badge,nothing more………….